Anyone who is familiar with the writings of Dr. Marcus Borg will recognize the Title of this discussion as having come f...
Anyone who is familiar with the writings of Dr. Marcus Borg will recognize the Title of this discussion as having come f...
Kathie, thank you for your kind reply, and I will investigate that website you offer, I am interested in all that I am given with and from that loving spirit.
Peace and thanks.
Kathie, thank you for your kind reply, and I will investigate that website you offer, I am interested in all that I am given with and from that loving spirit.
Peace and thanks.
Since I was very young, I had a "belief" of something better than what I was seeing and spoon fed about God. There was m...
Since I was very young, I had a "belief" of something better than what I was seeing and spoon fed about God. There was m...
Also in your post you mention that you have always had a belief in something better than what you were being told about God. Here is another quote from explorefaith.org that I really like which talks about that "knowing" that many of us have experienced:
"In one sense of the word know, we can't know that Christianity, or any of the religions, is true in the sense of being able to demonstrate it. One use of the word "know" in the modern period is something you can verify. In that sense, we can't know.
But we can take seriously a different kind of knowing. It's a very ancient kind of knowing. The ancients called it intuition. And, unfortunately, in our world, intuition is seen as kind of a weak thing. It's associated with women's intuition, a vague hunching or something like that. But the ancient meaning of the word "intuition" or “intuitive knowing” is direct knowing, a knowing that's not dependent upon verification. A synonym for intuitive knowing would be mystical knowing. There are people in every culture who have had what they regard as direct knowing experiences of God or the sacred. That kind of knowing is possible, and for me personally, it's that direct knowing, that intuitive knowing, that is the most persuasive soft data for affirming that God or the sacred is real."
Dr. Marcus Borg
Also in your post you mention that you have always had a belief in something better than what you were being told about God. Here is another quote from explorefaith.org that I really like which talks about that "knowing" that many of us have experienced:
"In one sense of the word know, we can't know that Christianity, or any of the religions, is true in the sense of being able to demonstrate it. One use of the word "know" in the modern period is something you can verify. In that sense, we can't know.
But we can take seriously a different kind of knowing. It's a very ancient kind of knowing. The ancients called it intuition. And, unfortunately, in our world, intuition is seen as kind of a weak thing. It's associated with women's intuition, a vague hunching or something like that. But the ancient meaning of the word "intuition" or “intuitive knowing” is direct knowing, a knowing that's not dependent upon verification. A synonym for intuitive knowing would be mystical knowing. There are people in every culture who have had what they regard as direct knowing experiences of God or the sacred. That kind of knowing is possible, and for me personally, it's that direct knowing, that intuitive knowing, that is the most persuasive soft data for affirming that God or the sacred is real."
Dr. Marcus Borg
Kathie, thank you for your kind reply, and I will investigate that website you offer, I am interested in all that I am g...
Kathie, thank you for your kind reply, and I will investigate that website you offer, I am interested in all that I am g...
We were sending at the same time! I added another bit from the same website. I'm finding it to be very helpful and inspirational! I'm so glad I found it.
We were sending at the same time! I added another bit from the same website. I'm finding it to be very helpful and inspirational! I'm so glad I found it.
I would like to talk about the historical, pre-Easter Jesus and what he had to say and how his words (the actual words that can be attributed to him as opposed to those of Paul and other apostles) have affected the world. And I would like us to try to do that without getting into contentious theological arguments. This is a new vision of Jesus with a spirit dimension, wisdom dimension, and political dimension which leads to a vision of the Christian life with those same three dimensions.
I would like to talk about the historical, pre-Easter Jesus and what he had to say and how his words (the actual words that can be attributed to him as opposed to those of Paul and other apostles) have affected the world. And I would like us to try to do that without getting into contentious theological arguments. This is a new vision of Jesus with a spirit dimension, wisdom dimension, and political dimension which leads to a vision of the Christian life with those same three dimensions.
This is a great topic Kathie. I wish I had seen it earlier instead of belaboring the same points on some other threads. I have just read your intro but am going to read the other posts and will check out your link.
This is a great topic Kathie. I wish I had seen it earlier instead of belaboring the same points on some other threads. I have just read your intro but am going to read the other posts and will check out your link.
I don't think that the pre-Easter Jesus "believed in" sin either. I think he believed in love and compassion and understood that most people are well-meaning but make mistakes. He was all about inclusion rather than about excluding those who "sin".
I don't think that the pre-Easter Jesus "believed in" sin either. I think he believed in love and compassion and understood that most people are well-meaning but make mistakes. He was all about inclusion rather than about excluding those who "sin".
I think he was deeply disturbed by the same types of corruption that are evident today; the misuse of power, placing one belief above another, and the never ending list of intolerances that we see in modern society.
I think he was deeply disturbed by the same types of corruption that are evident today; the misuse of power, placing one belief above another, and the never ending list of intolerances that we see in modern society.
Here is something from explorefaith.org that affirms everything you said in your very inspirational post! Not that you need affirmation, but just because I think this also says it very well!
"To me, the absolute center of Christianity is embodied love. In my reading of the Bible and in my experience, that's it...hook, line, and sinker. In Genesis it is God's love embodied in Creation, with every part dependent on every other part for perfect function. When human beings couldn't seem to keep their part of the harmony going, God embodied love more specifically in human form, in the person of Jesus. Jesus thus becomes both the embodiment and the revelation of God's love. Christians consider themselves to be the Body of Christ...those who try to continue to embody God's love in and for the world. If it is not done in love, it is a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. It matters even more than faith, Paul says. When Jesus is asked in Luke 10 what must be done to inherit eternal life, the answer is to love. Love is at the center of Creation, because God is love. Embodied love is at the heart of Christianity because that's who Jesus is."
Rev. Anne Robertson
Eve -
Here is something from explorefaith.org that affirms everything you said in your very inspirational post! Not that you need affirmation, but just because I think this also says it very well!
"To me, the absolute center of Christianity is embodied love. In my reading of the Bible and in my experience, that's it...hook, line, and sinker. In Genesis it is God's love embodied in Creation, with every part dependent on every other part for perfect function. When human beings couldn't seem to keep their part of the harmony going, God embodied love more specifically in human form, in the person of Jesus. Jesus thus becomes both the embodiment and the revelation of God's love. Christians consider themselves to be the Body of Christ...those who try to continue to embody God's love in and for the world. If it is not done in love, it is a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. It matters even more than faith, Paul says. When Jesus is asked in Luke 10 what must be done to inherit eternal life, the answer is to love. Love is at the center of Creation, because God is love. Embodied love is at the heart of Christianity because that's who Jesus is."
Rev. Anne Robertson
This may seem silly Kathie but between the hypocrisy from many of "faith", the negativity affiliated with God (going to hell), the selective rejection of science by some, and all the sheer silliness that I hear centered around the word God, I cannot even hear the word God anymore without cringing. Yet I have heard some very wonderful things here too, even things that people have brought forth from the Bible that take the perception of God out of the idea of something that has been made into a human parent and more into a realm of something invoked, the universe. It is something that has a ring of truth for me. Did that make sense?
This may seem silly Kathie but between the hypocrisy from many of "faith", the negativity affiliated with God (going to hell), the selective rejection of science by some, and all the sheer silliness that I hear centered around the word God, I cannot even hear the word God anymore without cringing. Yet I have heard some very wonderful things here too, even things that people have brought forth from the Bible that take the perception of God out of the idea of something that has been made into a human parent and more into a realm of something invoked, the universe. It is something that has a ring of truth for me. Did that make sense?
Posted: Apr 14, 08 8:04pm
Anyone who is familiar with the writings of Dr. Marcus Borg will recognize the Title of this discussion as having come f...
Kathie, thank you for your kind reply, and I will investigate that website you offer, I am interested in all that I am given with and from that loving spirit.
Peace and thanks.
Posted: Apr 14, 08 8:07pm
Since I was very young, I had a "belief" of something better than what I was seeing and spoon fed about God. There was m...
Also in your post you mention that you have always had a belief in something better than what you were being told about God. Here is another quote from explorefaith.org that I really like which talks about that "knowing" that many of us have experienced:
"In one sense of the word know, we can't know that Christianity, or any of the religions, is true in the sense of being able to demonstrate it. One use of the word "know" in the modern period is something you can verify. In that sense, we can't know.
But we can take seriously a different kind of knowing. It's a very ancient kind of knowing. The ancients called it intuition. And, unfortunately, in our world, intuition is seen as kind of a weak thing. It's associated with women's intuition, a vague hunching or something like that. But the ancient meaning of the word "intuition" or “intuitive knowing” is direct knowing, a knowing that's not dependent upon verification. A synonym for intuitive knowing would be mystical knowing. There are people in every culture who have had what they regard as direct knowing experiences of God or the sacred. That kind of knowing is possible, and for me personally, it's that direct knowing, that intuitive knowing, that is the most persuasive soft data for affirming that God or the sacred is real."
Dr. Marcus Borg
Posted: Apr 14, 08 8:09pm
Kathie, thank you for your kind reply, and I will investigate that website you offer, I am interested in all that I am g...
We were sending at the same time! I added another bit from the same website. I'm finding it to be very helpful and inspirational! I'm so glad I found it.
Posted: Aug 16, 08 7:47pm
I would like to talk about the historical, pre-Easter Jesus and what he had to say and how his words (the actual words that can be attributed to him as opposed to those of Paul and other apostles) have affected the world. And I would like us to try to do that without getting into contentious theological arguments. This is a new vision of Jesus with a spirit dimension, wisdom dimension, and political dimension which leads to a vision of the Christian life with those same three dimensions.
This is a great topic Kathie. I wish I had seen it earlier instead of belaboring the same points on some other threads. I have just read your intro but am going to read the other posts and will check out your link.
Posted: Aug 16, 08 7:50pm
He was actually trying to reform the Jewish religion. And he truly was a remarkable human being who changed the world!
Beautiful!
Posted: Aug 16, 08 7:53pm
I don't think that the pre-Easter Jesus "believed in" sin either. I think he believed in love and compassion and understood that most people are well-meaning but make mistakes. He was all about inclusion rather than about excluding those who "sin".
I think he was deeply disturbed by the same types of corruption that are evident today; the misuse of power, placing one belief above another, and the never ending list of intolerances that we see in modern society.
Posted: Aug 16, 08 8:03pm
Eve -
Here is something from explorefaith.org that affirms everything you said in your very inspirational post! Not that you need affirmation, but just because I think this also says it very well!
"To me, the absolute center of Christianity is embodied love. In my reading of the Bible and in my experience, that's it...hook, line, and sinker. In Genesis it is God's love embodied in Creation, with every part dependent on every other part for perfect function. When human beings couldn't seem to keep their part of the harmony going, God embodied love more specifically in human form, in the person of Jesus. Jesus thus becomes both the embodiment and the revelation of God's love. Christians consider themselves to be the Body of Christ...those who try to continue to embody God's love in and for the world. If it is not done in love, it is a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. It matters even more than faith, Paul says. When Jesus is asked in Luke 10 what must be done to inherit eternal life, the answer is to love. Love is at the center of Creation, because God is love. Embodied love is at the heart of Christianity because that's who Jesus is."
Rev. Anne Robertson
This may seem silly Kathie but between the hypocrisy from many of "faith", the negativity affiliated with God (going to hell), the selective rejection of science by some, and all the sheer silliness that I hear centered around the word God, I cannot even hear the word God anymore without cringing. Yet I have heard some very wonderful things here too, even things that people have brought forth from the Bible that take the perception of God out of the idea of something that has been made into a human parent and more into a realm of something invoked, the universe. It is something that has a ring of truth for me. Did that make sense?