Organic Products

Hey Joe,

You know, I hear this from a lot of people and it's a tough decision to make when most organic products are more expensive than their conventional equivalents.

The only way I could justify this for myself was to weigh the benefits over the negatives, as far as my long-term health was concerned.

I've written a few articles on this. One was called: "Going, Going, Gone" It had to do with the effects of highly processed food, synthetic drugs, (prescription, and over the counter) conventional produce, and household cleaners and personal products.

There is a portion of the article where I describe a person in a hospital bed, waiting to be operated on. He thinks of everything he could have done to improve his health, his eating habits, exercise, and even things he used on a daily basis.

My point is, people tend to put a price on the one thing that is fundamentally priceless-your health. Without it, it doesn't matter how much is left in your wallet at the end of the day.

I'm not a wealthy person, but, if I were living when a rich man was about to die, who would trade places?

I wish you nothing but your health and happiness!

Graham

I used to be a Platinum distributor in Amway/Quixtar. Built a group of about 130 people. Never would I ever do that again. It did give me probably the best sales experience and I met some great people. Tommy Lasorda is one of the nicest people I ever met. He spoke for us one day. Zig Ziglar is also a great guy. I met Dr. Denis Waitley a few times too, great person.

www.mlmsurvivor.com

gillfinn:

My mother smoked and drank and ate bread spread with lard until she died at 82. I'm watching a news story about a local hit/run car accident: 5yo boy thrown from the car, killed, wearing seatbelts, no traffic violations on his families behalf. I believe that when it's my time to go, I'll go, and no universe of organic products is going to affect that.

(I could however, be wrong; I'm wrong alot.)

TheInquiringEye

Joe,

How come such a bad experience? Seems you did really well.

Hi Fromz,

I sell only three food products, containing 100% organic ingredients, the rest are cosmetic, body/skin, and personal care products.

Some of the products are 50/70% organic, because of difficulty finding organic equivalents.

Yes, this is mlm, One Group organics from Australia.

Clorox bought Bert's Bees too and the product is not the same. The FDA continues to show how useless they are.

If you care to check it out. Thanks,

Graham

I think it's just a personal choice like everything else, but, you never think about breathing until you can't, and some people don't care about their health until it's gone, and then it's too late.

I lost my mom last year and she didn't get too sick until she went into the hospital, she never got out.

What type of business do you have?

Graham

Hi Eve,

What business are you in? Great commentary by the way, and I'm happy for you for caring about what you are putting in and on your body.

Don't look to the FDA to watch over you.

Good luck out there!

G

While you may find it humorous and a support for vanity, I call it a smart consumer.

Have you ever been scarred or burned or lived with a birthmark somewhere where it drew more attention and hurtful words then are allowed here on TBD?

Makeup is not just for vanity. Makeup may be used for a variety of needs, for some it is a necessity for work, for some it boosts selfesteem by removing attention from scars, or birthmarks that seem to be constant reminders of how others may view them.

It isn't vain to realize that people are not always kind and will often more willingly help a women who is pleasant to look at oppose to one they may have difficulty looking at. That is a fact. It is not one I like but it is true. Unless you are a woman and have had these experiences, who are you to say.

Are you being a bit harsh here and judgmental?

Besides, vanity may also be defined as one who chooses to make themself "look" better by using their opinions as cause for being right and justifying the need to make others wrong or "look" worse. Just my thoughts. Peace.

I happen to be a woman and think it is being a smart consumer to choose products that enhance, and do not damage my health or the environment. Whether it is the minerals I use on my face to give my skin an even tone, or the food that keeps my immune system strong, or how I personally choose to contribute to the generations to come.

I dont think Dave means to be derogatory . He's a good guy. I think all he's saying is, that to him, beauty transcends physical appearance.

TIE

Thanks TIE, but often these kind of statements can be misunderstood and some women have such hurt on this subject and I do wish sqldave to understand that too. I was not wishing to be rude just informative.

I have known many women who face a mirror with such dread. Sometimes the little addition of makeup lifts their hearts and confidence. It may be silly to some, but they may not know what it is like to suffer such hurt as these have known. Maybe it just hit a nerve for me. I just thought it was possibly hurtful to some to state that it is vanity only.

Dave may be one in a million, but my experience has given me the awareness that many men do not look for a woman with a library card. Those of us who prefer a natural state of being, whether attractive or not often hear labels of all kinds. I rarely wear make up. But when I choose to, enjoy that I can, and find I like having something that will not irritate or feel like a coat of paint. Just my thoughts. No harm intended.

I know this is a little off topic here, but I just wanted to applaud you, Eve, for your comments re: makeup.

I have to respectfully disagree with sqldave. I would iinclude one's mental/emotional health as part of one's personal health. Covering scars and other imperfections can help a woman to feel more secure/feel more confident. Is that vanity? Not necessarily, I don't think.

Hey, I'm thrilled my BF and others find me attractive without makeup, but I do wear it .. sometimes for fun, sometimes to cover up. I have two scars from pre-cancer spots being frozen off my face and I also have an acne condition caused by stress and by my FM. Having the option of makeup to cover it up makes me feel like everyone is not staring at the bumps on my face, esp. in a professional setting.

Anyway, thanks Eve. I appreciate your comments.

Eve, sister, I hear you. I've met many men in my life, and not a one of them was interested in MY 'library card'.

Jackie

TIE

TIE .. just to add to your comment ..

I was once engaged to a man who shortly after we began dating he asked if I had a library card. Only mentioning this because it's kind of funny to read this now and You are Right! It is rare! Although, I like a MAN who has a library card (haven't mastered the bold/italic thing yet hence the uppercase.)

I don't care if you have a card or not.

But GG and SMoM are sexy as hell because they can both discuss science intelligently, in depth, and with humor. And I'm not at all intimidated by their greater knowledge.

Don't anyone feel slighted. Science isnt the only subject this works with.

Betty:

Havent mastered the 'case' thing myself...the 'man' thing for that matter either. Sure wish I checked if Tom had a library card before I married him. Imagine my surprise to find he could barely read.

TIE

BSBetty, thanks for the kind words, but I write what comes from my heart...I just feel sometimes people treat issues thoughtlessly and do not take into consideration the deep levels of emotion that pray on women, and it is not vanity, but self preservation mostly. People need to become aware that they are responsible for their words and words can bless or cause pain. I do not wish to cause pain and realize that sometimes things said inadvertently do.

Dave, if you are there, I am not picking on you I just wish you be aware of the comment you made and how intentional or not, it was not kind.

TIE, yes, somehow it never came up, funny, huh?

Fromz, you like smart women...ok what if they are smart, but not about science??? I have a library card.

I agree, kle; it all sounds like such a gimmick.

TIE

KLE, well said.

Kle very good and helpful information. Thank you.

I use and wear makeup and have everyday of my life. I will continue to do this until I die. I do this because it makes me look and feel better. Of course it's my vanity that makes me do this. I want to present myself as best I can. I do not care if anyone else wears make up, in fact I admire women who are confident enough in themselves that they choose not to wear makeup.

As far as organic anything I have no interest in it. I believe ours bodies adjust to the foods we eat and learns how to digest and use it.

Dotcom: I used to wear make-up all the time. (Fat lotta good it did). I agree with you. It's the 'boy in the bubble' that's the most vulnerable.

TIE

Hello jacquin,

A lot of people don't realize the poisons present in household products.

Thanks for stopping by.

Graham

Uh, those claims range from misrepresentation of good science to outright bunkum.

The antibiotics claim is pernicious.

It sounds like the snake oil of the 21st century.

TIE

Not quite snake oil. But many of the claims are greatly exaggerated.

For instance, the study of microbes and bacteria on teh skin is a long time field of study. (One study: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/8/2927 ) We have a decent idea who the bad guys are, the good guys, and the ones who just came for the free ride.

If the statements above were true, bad bacteria out compete good, washing our hands in antibacterial soap would result in skin that's a total disaster. Weak, defenseless, inviting infections from the naturally occuring bad bacteria.

I've seen the claim disease including cancer begins in an acidic environment. It's a bit misleading. The body's natural Ph is 7.35 to 7.45, mildly base. If the body falls outside that range it fights very hard to bring itself back into range.

There are parts of the body that are naturally acid. The stomach produces hydrochloric acid at a Ph of about 2, very acid. But a couple of processes later, sodium bicarbonate neutralizes that acid. At room temp, that has a Ph of around 8, another base.

So, cancer and other diseases may start in areas of the body that are already sick - outside the proper Ph for that part of the body - but the Ph is a result of illness and teh chances something you bought OTC at teh store will will restore that Ph seems a bit far fetched.

BUT! Everything needs the proper nutrients to grow. So eating things that contain or cause the body to produce those nutrients may help keep a healthy body healthy. And, unless you overdose heavily, eating or applying those things and teh bacteria they feed shouldn't hurt you.

Hi Fromz, yes, I have the awareness of the ph/ acid issues, but find it hard to press doctors to admit this or check their patients.

I have used some of the ph balancing products that Graham may know of and I have personally known a change in my health for the better.

While you say "many of the claims are greatly exaggerated" I have observed that these often exaggerated claims more often then not prove true later on down the road. I am not critisizing or am I a scientist, but I do observe and take note of things that often prove themselves over time.

I do things that science cannot prove, yet the results speak for themselves. I on occation cannot even explain how or why, but just accept it.

I know that may not be science, but some of what I do is now making itself know to science also. Too long a topic to get into. For this discussion, I would just like to say that even on occation, science does not always have the facts right all the time. So sharing and informing in these discussions will be helpful for a full spectrum of participants, so "bunkum" or not lets do share...with kindness. I so like learning and sharing experiences.

Graham, I will gladly share with you my personal experiences should you wish more info. Just pm me. For the discussion, I'd rather stay with the tread topic, if that is OK. This is a great opportunity to share both science and experiences we can all learn from. Fromz is an amazing resource, and maybe with what you know we can all gain some new inisights. Thanks for asking.