Git-r-Done Gitmo? - politics - gitmo - Bush

Fromz

Posted: Jun 18, 08 11:18am

wcbiv wrote:

We MUST WIN this WAR,...but the WAR EFFORT is not just a tactical military engagement...the conflict with extremists is an idealogical battle and that requires higher level thinking than what has been brought ot bear by this administration and/or touted by the Admins sycophants on TBD.

More drivel.

Just like the contents of suspension of habeas corpus under the Constitution and the enforcement role of the UN in international agreements, your lack of "higher level thinking" complaint is based in ignorance.

And you've made it quite clear in the case of anything Bush related, that ignorance is willful.

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darroll

Posted: Jun 18, 08 11:45am

We should handle this problem like the Chinese.

They find out where the thugs live, they surround the block and kill everyone there. The whole world hollers ‘bloody murder”. The Chinese go on with their business. If you want to demonstrate you had better find another country.

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wcbiv

Posted: Jun 30, 08 1:38pm

darroll wrote:

We should handle this problem like the Chinese.

They find out where the thugs live, they surround the block and kill everyone there. The whole world hollers ‘bloody murder”. The Chinese go on with their business. If you want to demonstrate you had better find another country.

Speaking of Chinese, here's the latest in the adventures of the GWB Brain Trust Crowd

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20080630-0939-guantanamo-chinesedetainee.html

I particularly winced when I read these lines...

WASHINGTON – A federal appeals court reviewing evidence at Guantanamo Bay compared a Bush administration legal argument to one made by a hapless, dimwitted character in a 19th century nonsense poem by Lewis Carroll.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit cited the 1876 poem, “The Hunting of the Snark,” in ruling that the military improperly labeled a Chinese Muslim as an enemy combatant. The ruling was issued last week but an unclassified version of the opinion was released only Monday.

It was the first time a court has reviewed the military's decision-making and considered whether a detainee should be held...

...and at times treated accusations as evidence.

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The Justice Department concedes that Parhat never fought against the U.S. and says it has no evidence he was planning to do so.

The case hinges on Parhat's connection to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a militant group that demands separation from China. Parhat says he considers China, not the United States, the enemy.

The judges said there's credible evidence the source of that intelligence is the Chinese government, “which may be less than objective with respect to the Uighurs.”

The three-member court, which was made up of two Republican judges and one Democrat, was particularly pointed in its criticism of the logic that evidence is reliable because it appears on multiple documents.

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” the court wrote. “This comes perilously close to suggesting that whatever the government says must be treated as true.”

The judges compared the argument to the logic in Carroll's nonsense poem. What I tell you three times is true,” the Bellman says in the poem.

“Lewis Carroll notwithstanding, the fact that the government has 'said it thrice' does not make an allegation true,” the court wrote.

Speaking of Chinese, here's the latest in the adventures of the GWB Brain Trust Crowd http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20080630-0939-guantanamo-chinesedetainee.html I particularly winced when I read these lines... WASHINGTON – A federal appeals court reviewing evidence at Guantanamo Bay compared a Bush administration legal argument to one made by a hapless, dimwitted character in a 19th century nonsense poem by Lewis Carroll. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit cited the 1876 poem, “The Hunting of the Snark,” in ruling that the military improperly labeled a Chinese Muslim as an enemy combatant. The ruling was issued last week but an unclassified version of the opinion was released only Monday. It was the first time a court has reviewed the military's decision-making and considered whether a detainee should be held... ...and at times treated accusations as evidence. . The Justice Department concedes that Parhat never fought against the U.S. and says it has no evidence he was planning to do so. The case hinges on Parhat's connection to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a militant group that demands separation from China. Parhat says he considers China, not the United States, the enemy. The judges said there's credible evidence the source of that intelligence is the Chinese government, “which may be less than objective with respect to the Uighurs.” The three-member court, which was made up of two Republican judges and one Democrat, was particularly pointed in its criticism of the logic that evidence is reliable because it appears on multiple documents. “ ” the court wrote. “This comes perilously close to suggesting that whatever the government says must be treated as true.” The judges compared the argument to the logic in Carroll's nonsense poem. What I tell you three times is true,” the Bellman says in the poem. “Lewis Carroll notwithstanding, the fact that the government has 'said it thrice' does not make an allegation true,” the court wrote.

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Posted: Jun 30, 08 1:38pm

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Speaking of Chinese, here's the latest in the adventures of the GWB Brain Trust Crowd

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20080630-0939-guantanamo-chinesedetainee.html

I particularly winced when I read these lines...

WASHINGTON – A federal appeals court reviewing evidence at Guantanamo Bay compared a Bush administration legal argument to one made by a hapless, dimwitted character in a 19th century nonsense poem by Lewis Carroll. 
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit cited the 1876 poem, “The Hunting of the Snark,” in ruling that the military improperly labeled a Chinese Muslim as an enemy combatant. The ruling was issued last week but an unclassified version of the opinion was released only Monday. 
 It was the first time a court has reviewed the military's decision-making and considered whether a detainee should be held... 
 ...and at times treated accusations as evidence. 
 . 
The Justice Department concedes that Parhat never fought against the U.S. and says it has no evidence he was planning to do so.

The case hinges on Parhat's connection to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a militant group that demands separation from China. Parhat says he considers China, not the United States, the enemy. 
 
 The judges said there's credible evidence the source of that intelligence is the Chinese government, “which may be less than objective with respect to the Uighurs.” 
The three-member court, which was made up of two Republican judges and one Democrat, was particularly pointed in its criticism of the logic that evidence is reliable because it appears on multiple documents. 
“ 
” the court wrote. “This comes perilously close to suggesting that whatever the government says must be treated as true.” 
The judges compared the argument to the logic in Carroll's nonsense poem.  What I tell you three times is true,” the Bellman says in the poem.

“Lewis Carroll notwithstanding, the fact that the government has 'said it thrice' does not make an allegation true,” the court wrote.

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wcbiv

Posted: Jul 24, 08 1:31pm

Well I'm not too happy with the 8 pages we could read...imagine what the 10 blacked-out pages would reveal...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/24/cia.torture/index.html

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