Step Away from the Soda...

New Research Links it to Heart Disease

RobinMillerMD

RobinMillerMD

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Posted: Jul 26, 07 12:47pm

Since 1948 the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute has been studying the factors that contribute to heart disease by observing and monitoring the residents of Framingham, Massachusetts. Over the last four years they have observed around 6,000 middle-aged men and women. Initially, they were healthy. Over this time they noted the following:

  • Those participants who drank one or more sodas (diet or regular) a day had a 31% greater risk of becoming obese.
  • They had a 30% chance of developing an increased waist circumference.
  • There was a 25% chance they would develop high triglycerides.
  • And, they had a 50 to 60% chance of developing metabolic syndrome regardless of whether they drank regular or diet soda.

Metabolic syndrome is a constellation of factors that can include obesity in an apple distribution (around the middle), high triglycerides, low HDL, insulin resistance and high blood pressure. Those with metabolic syndrome are at increased risk for developing heart disease.

It is understandable how sugary soda can increase abdominal girth and the other factors, but diet sodas have no calories! Why do the people who drank diet sodas also develop the same problems?

One answer might be that those who drank diet soda had similar eating and exercise habits to those who drank regular soda. There is also a theory that the substance that gives some sodas their caramel color may promote insulin resistance. The truth is that no one knows exactly how or why this happened. Till we get to the bottom of it, I would advise cutting out the sugary soda altogether and drinking diet soda in moderation.

 
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MichaelCastleman MichaelCastleman
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Posted: Jul 30, 07 2:22pm

I've become a regular drinker of iced tea. It's actually beneficial. It's high in antioxidants, the nutrients that help prevent the top killers of Americans: heart disease, cancer, and stroke, plus other degenerative diseases such as cataracts. Caf or decaf, both are rich in antioxidants. An excellent, health-enhancing substitute for sodas.

 
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woodson woodson

Posted: Sep 24, 07 10:53pm

I've switched to or rather switched back to boiled water. Only drink coffee or tea when I'm out with friends at restaurants.

 
 
 
MoMan MoMan
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Posted: Sep 28, 07 6:11pm

I have done exactly the same thing. The doc told me my sugar count was 114. I bought two gallon jugs and make sun tea every day. One in the frige and one brewing all the time. I'm using tap water, so I don't know if this is too much. But I had no problem making the switch, and it saves some money as well.

 
 
 
Pamela_G Pamela_G
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Posted: May 5, 08 10:00am

Just got back from the Doctor - think I will drink a diet coke!

He charged me $330.00 to tell me I am in great health!

 
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wmans wmans
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Posted: Jul 2, 08 5:42pm

Pamela, I would have told you you are in perfect health for nothing and invited you over for a dry martini.

 
 
 
Sheilla Sheilla
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Posted: Jun 1, 08 2:46pm

I use to be so hooked on diet Pepsi. I never realized how much of it I dranked until I stopped and thought about the many times I would buy it when I went to the grocery store.

I too have discovered the refreshing drink of ice tea that I brew. For a change I also drink Crystal Light which is easy to mix. Of course I won't forget water.

 
 
 
MiamiDavid MiamiDavid
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Posted: Sep 25, 07 12:59pm

I think I might know why diet soda drinkers have problems. Many of the folks that I know who drink diet drink what seems like gallons of it along with tons of salad covered in dressing. I am certainly uneducated in this area, but it seems to me that consuming large amounts of anything is not good, especially after hearing about folks dying of drinking too much water lately.

The best advice I have received was from a nurse back in the 70's. She taught me to drink water at least every other drink.

 
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RobinMillerMD RobinMillerMD
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Posted: Sep 25, 07 3:59pm

What you are saying is that moderation is the key!? and I agree.

 
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mansh03 mansh03
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Posted: Jun 10, 08 9:52am

I learned that Diet soda can also playing role to damage teeth (enamel layer) is that true? Diet soda comes with artificial sweetner.

There seems to be a causative effect with artificial sweetners that increases your appetite in other areas. Net effect is that by drinking diet soda, you crave more food and actually increase your calories over the course of the day. Just have a small cup of the real thing when you're really craving it and stick to water, green tea etc the remainder of the time. Your body (and scale) will thank you for it!

 
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gayle gayle
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Posted: Jun 10, 08 9:59am

Regular soda will rot your teeth too, because of the citric acid in some of them, especially those with lemon or lime in them. So will iced tea with lemon, or lemonade. You can avoid this by brushing your teeth well, shortly after drinking one.

p.s. I can't believe this is still in the old format. What a wonderful sight for my sore eyes.

 
 
 
Louise Solis Steele Louise Solis Steele

Posted: Jul 9, 08 2:58pm

You are correct...diet soda is not the end all...there areother potential side effects with artificial sweeteners. Sticking to low-glycemic foods which are foods that raise blood sugar slowly and water, green tea, etc is best

 
 
 
ZaZumbaDeb ZaZumbaDeb

Posted: Sep 29, 07 5:30pm

True. I always like a diet coke with my fattening cheese enchilada or slice of pizza.

 
 
 
MiamiDavid MiamiDavid
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Posted: Sep 28, 07 10:14am

LOL! One of my favorite lines (and I use it in my sig on other sites; I think it is a Russian proverb) is:

"Everything in moderation...including moderation."

8^)

 
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RobinMillerMD RobinMillerMD
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Posted: Sep 28, 07 6:32pm

 
 
Arkadash Arkadash
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Posted: Sep 28, 07 7:53pm

I'm not a super heavy Cola drinker (at least not as much so as years past), but my body clock starts to take a nose dive around 3 in the afternoon and I need a boost. The coffee pot's long been put away by that time. So if the sodas are not so good, then what's a good and healthy substitute that will provide a little boost until the 5 o'clock whistle blows?

And somehow I don't think the answer is Red Bull or Rock Star...

 
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KatherineHughes KatherineHughes
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Posted: Sep 28, 07 9:14pm

Iced tea is your friend. If you have access to an ice machine, you can brew a cup of strong hot tea - and there are a kabillion different kinds - and pour it over a big cup of ice. The melting ice dilutes it to about the right strength and brings it down to a nice chilled temperature. And it's all fresh and tasty!

 
 
 
Erica Erica
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Posted: Sep 30, 07 11:00am

You could try Enviga. The Invega drug reps turned me on to it (Enviga, Invega--I thought that was pretty clever, lol). It comes in three flavors--green tea, peach, and berry--and one can has about the same amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee. It's not bad.

 
 
 
LanSr LanSr
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 2:23am

Enviga, Invega, Viagra... catchy... is that like drinking pilates? I love 'em... ;-P

 
 
 
HarryLou HarryLou

Posted: Oct 1, 07 11:12am

must - have - caffeine!

Starbucks Doubleshot. Even better the fine little canned coffees from the Oriental supermarket up the street. For special occasions, Shock! coffee (bought online by the case)... Sometimes i'm in tea mode -- Irish Breakfast is robust and full of (you guessed it) caffeine.

 
 
 
mansh03 mansh03
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Posted: Jun 10, 08 12:12pm

Arkadash,

take a nap between 3 and 5 pm

 
 
 
SupperNanny SupperNanny

Posted: Sep 19, 08 11:11pm

I am (trying not to be) a very heavy soda drinker. I even drank mt. dew like it was going out of style! But somehow along the way I lost my taste for it and I literally cannot stand it now! However, Dr. Pepper, pepsi..those are hang ups. I haven't had a regular soda in a while but I have had diet (probably more than I should) I loved iced tea and opt for it alot. However, I've heard (or read) that your better drinking sweet tea than unsweet (adding your own sweetner) because you tend to use more...agree??

As far as needing a "pick up" in the afternoon..I too "crash" around 2:00 or so. I read (I do this alot!) that you need to NOT have any caffeine..it's just a rollercoaster ride..chose something with protein and some water..it's much less to make you feel even more tired!

 
 
 
MoMan MoMan
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Posted: Sep 29, 07 1:53pm

Hey doc Robin, Is a gallon of sun tea made from tap water too much? I used to drink soda instead of coffee in the morning. I drank about 10 cans of soda a day, diet of course. Do I have to go to moderation on the tea?

 
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RobinMillerMD RobinMillerMD
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Posted: Sep 30, 07 10:05am

Hi MoMan, There is some suggestion that too much iced tea can increase the chances of getting a certain type of kidney stone. So, yes, once again......moderation....you know the rest!

 
 
 
LanSr LanSr
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 2:16am
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Well...dang, Dang, and double-dang, Dr Miller,

and I started drinking iced tea for the anti-oxidants after my right kidney failed. Lately I've been getting or passing kidney stones every 3-4 weeks on a semi-regular cyclical basis (alternating this with drinking 1/2 tsp lemon juice in a pint of water every other glass with my iced tea). In fact, the reason I'm up now keeping the bats,rattlers, and hoot owls company is because the spasms and cramps keep me awake. And it's coming from something recommended to me as good for me??!!! Well, MX*&%$/>*illflick...

(Bummer)

And actually, and this is just a theory of mine, mind: But I firmly believe drinking diet soda and eating cottage cheese either makes you fat, or anorexic. I know because I only see the obese or anorexics drinking the one, and eating the other... Which reminds me of the phase when I wanted to be bulemic (but my fingers were too short)... but that's another story for another thread...

Blessings, thanks for this discussion, and enjoy your day,

moi

Caption reads: "Lost: Speckles, My puppy. REWARD for Finding" (c) 1998, UPS

This lady had too much soda with her cottage cheese. (See, toldja)...

This lady had too much soda with her cottage cheese. (See, toldja)...

 
 
 
PrunellaFarquar PrunellaFarquar
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Posted: May 5, 08 8:21am

Hey LanSr, has your doctor ever given you quinine for the muscle cramps? I still get them (last night, for example...I'm very lucky I don't keep a gun in the house!) but the quinine has made them occur much less frequently.

Otherwise...sleep with your boots on. It helps.

 
 
 
Singulus Singulus
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Posted: Sep 29, 07 3:51pm

God am I in trouble < Grin >. As bad as it may be I still drink a couple of cups of black coffee in the morning and a couple of liters of Dr. Pepper during the week ...

 
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ZaZumbaDeb ZaZumbaDeb

Posted: Sep 29, 07 5:34pm

No Dr Pepper here but as soon as I hear the beep beep beep of the coffee maker telling me it's ready...I'm there. Two cups.

 
 
 
anne64 anne64
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Posted: Jul 8, 08 7:33am

I'm with you touch my Dr Pepper (diet) and die. I mean it.I turn into a **tch without it. You know your addicted when your friends and family ask " Had a Pepper lately ? "

Gave up cigs 11 years ago had to give up coffee this year and they will get my Dr Pepper when they pry it from my cold dead hands ( witch according to this might be sooner than later).

 
 
 
Sunspot Guy Sunspot Guy
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Posted: Sep 30, 07 12:41pm

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onfireforjc7 onfireforjc7
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 9:15am

Real sugar is the way to go. Nutarasweet is very bad for you. Not just in soda, but Nutrasweet in any food. Avoid nutrawsweet! Read the food labels.

LKook for the Nurtasweet logo.

Dr. Robin, I read somewhere that all diet sodas increase symptoms of depression. Did you ever read anything about diet soda and depression?

 
 
 
RobinMillerMD RobinMillerMD
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 10:58am

No, I have not seen anything about diet soda and depression. If I do, I will post it!

 
 
 
Milt T Milt T
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 4:23pm

Nutrasweet kills insects? Maybe that is why our home has been so free of flies, gnats and mosquitoes. I found diet Coke great for them. You take an unopened can and throw it, attempting to hit the insect right between the eyes. If they have more than two eyes, you try to hit them on the one that is the mean average of the sum of their parts.

 
 
 
LanSr LanSr
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 6:13pm

Of course, Milt's method is tough on the drywall, lamps and knick-knacks, and this exercise keeps him exercised, his heart rate elevates over nutrasweet destruction, and so in this case diet soda is great for his heart, huh Doctor?

 
 
 
RobinMillerMD RobinMillerMD
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Posted: Oct 2, 07 9:02am

Yes, when used as an aid to exercise it would be good for the heart! The visual really gave me a chuckle, thank you!

 
 
 
Expatriate Expatriate
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 3:53am

I would've thought that most people in the age demographic of this website remember when having a soda was an occasional refreshment. For example, when I grew up in a small New England town, drinking soda was generally reserved for quenching a summer thirst at the beach along and an exceptional snack like an ice cream. What happened?

In raising my children, I have continued the basic habits of our youth for meals. Of course, this is easier in the country where I live where the main drink used to quench thirst is believe it or not water. In France, no one would think of having a sweet drink at a meal. Water is served at every meal along with for adults the occasional glass of wine or two in the evening. At the same time snacking between meals is relatively unknown except for schoolchildren of a certain age that traditionally have a snack when they return home from school (though certainly not a soda). On the other hand, I have noticed in Greece where I spend my summers that, under the influence of returning Greek-Americans, soft drinks are sometimes given to children at meals in certain segments of the population. As a result, childhood obesity is now becoming an issue in Greece.

 
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Singulus Singulus
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 8:30am

Well, I still remember 'fountain Cokes', made the old fashioned way for those of you who never had one.

They were 'pumped' by hand from syrup and made one at a time. Slower perhaps, but they had a quality never again recaptured- For a variety of reasons.

But they only cost a dime. Their bottled counterparts only cost a nickel.

 
 
 
TaliaHoffman TaliaHoffman
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 8:44am

Singulus, you should also post this on the Nostalgia group, It brought back great memories - thanks.

 
 
 
Milt T Milt T
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 8:47am

The answer to the diet soda question is simple. Most people who drink diet soda live in a world of self-deception. They drink a diet soda with the 1200 calorie Mickey D's meal they consume with it. It is almost like saying that if no one sees you the calories don't count.

Then there are non obese drinkers of diet soda who are careful with everything they eat. They have it with a salad with a moderate amount of light or no-cal dressing like Walden's.

Obesity is all about calories unless you have Prader-Willi Syndrome or another disorder that causes massive weight gain on minimal calories.

 
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Expatriate Expatriate
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 9:29am

Of course you're right about the notion of self-deception. However, it's not only a question of calories or lack of it in diet soda. It is also the very habit of having a sweet drink (with or without calories) with a meal which has the additional adverse effect of increasing appetite.

Similarly, the last time I was in US I was also struck by the difficulty of finding nondiet non-lowfat yogurt for my children. I was amazed by the array of choices of low-fat products and the contradiction of aisles full of supersized people pushing caddies. At the same time, I had a very hard time finding just plain straight normal yogurt to give to my child. Everything was low-fat.

Where I live in the French Southwest there is no shortage of fatty food. We just eat a little less of it and balance it out with lots of vegetables, fruit and conversation. And of course, eating between meals is nonexistent. Finally, the purpose of meals which last a minimum of one hour is first social and only secondarily for food. The resulting slower pace of meals also helps keep down the quantity because it gives us time to lose our appetite before eating more than necessary.

 
 
 
Erica Erica
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Posted: Oct 1, 07 9:45am

I agree with Milt 100%. Unfortunately, you don't get to wash down a box of Twinkies with a Diet Coke and not expect to gain weight.

In my opinion, diet soda itself is probably pretty innocuous. It's the diet and resulting obesity that's unhealthy.

 
 
 
gayle gayle
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Posted: Jun 10, 08 10:18am

I do not usually overeat, but I started gaining weight around my middle in my late 20's. I was diagnosed with diabetes at 38. I did lose 25 lbs. when first diagnosed by slashing my caloric intake to the bare minimum, and walking to and from work (an hour each way), and mall walking on weekends, on top of the physiotherapy I was taking for being a passenger in a car accident, it was also just before this car accident that I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia. So I lost the weight but wound up in excruciating pain for a very, very long time, as the amount of exercise I was doing aggravated my fibromyalgia. Once I stopped doing all this exercise, and slowed to an amount less painful to me, at the advice of a physiotherapist, and an occupational therapist, I started gaining the weight back, then medications made me pack on even more. I don't think I'll ever be able to lose it again, my hope is that I can lose some. So please don't believe all obesity is caused by overeating.

My usual drink is water or unsweetened ice tea (with no sugar, or sweeteners). Soda (Pop it's called here) is an occasional drink, usually at restaurants, or on the road travelling, if I can't get unsweet tea. It is almost impossible in Canada to get unsweet tea, most places only sell prebottled sweetened stuff, partially because ice tea is relatively new as a popular drink here, tea is served hot here, unless you ask otherwise.

 
 
 
sienna sienna
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Posted: Oct 6, 07 11:41am

I dont want to get off the suject, but i noticed a few people saying they use the soda or other drink for a energy boost,

perhaps for energy your looking in the wrong place,

perhaps you should be grabbing a glass of water,and a piece of fruit,

after my second daughter, i had a lot of what i called babyfat left, what was really bad habbit fat.

I went to a clinic for help. and i know i had heard it before meny times thro my life drink lots of water

8 or more glasses a day, and eat six small meals.

well i paid good money to be thought this once again, but this time i listened, they told me for the first month all they wanted me to do is make sure to drink at least 8 glasses a day of water, make sure to eat 3 small meals and that when the box says 1 cup is one serving then you only give yourself one cup.

and to make sure i eat three small snacks between those meals, meaning a piece of fruit, a cup of yogert a hard boiled egg and so on, not a donut. and take a ten minute walk a day.

at the time i drank a lot of soda so and really ate like one oversized meal a day, but i did what they told me replaced the soda with water and made myself eat, much to my surprize i had more energy then ever had, and the first three weeks i lost about 5 lbs a week, and it just kept comming off,

my main point being is the soda isnt giving you a real boost anyways its giving you a sugar or caffine rush and when its over you feel even more drained and that makes you get up for anouther soda. makes them a lot of money but what does it really do for you.

 
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RobinMillerMD RobinMillerMD
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Posted: Oct 7, 07 8:13am

You make an excellent point!

 
 
 
tbdspike tbdspike
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Posted: Oct 7, 07 2:20pm

If I'm at an Asian restaurant, I request boiled water, otherwise I request water with no ice.

 
 
 
tunzie tunzie
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Posted: Feb 3, 08 11:38am

21% of the sugar in the American diet comes from soft drinks. Soft drinks contain large amounts of phosphorus, which can throw off the body's calcium/phosphorus ratio (twice as much calcium as phosphorus), decreasing calcium as well as reducing your body's ability to use it.

Diet sodas that are low in calories are high in sodium. Too much salt in the diet may cause more calcium to be excreted in the urine and increase the risk of osteoporosis.

Nothing tastes better than a nice tall glass of water!

 
 
 
mystery999 mystery999
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Posted: Feb 3, 08 1