I'll look up that book too. The reason I'm a stickler on the 'admit' thing is because I am the supreme being in this little group and the whole point of the group is to try to bridge the us vs. them problem and find ways to discuss controversial issues without insulting each other.
One of the hardest things to do is to change positions on an issue. I respect people who can do that.
Hi Jack (correct?)
I'll look up that book too. The reason I'm a stickler on the 'admit' thing is because I am the supreme being in this little group and the whole point of the group is to try to bridge the us vs. them problem and find ways to discuss controversial issues without insulting each other.
One of the hardest things to do is to change positions on an issue. I respect people who can do that.
It addresses (among other things) something that I always saw as a contradiction - how the religious right seemed so willing to go to war. It quotes a religious leader, speaking of the Bush administration, as follows: "The quickness to arms, the quickness to invade, I think that caused a kind of desertion of what has been known as the Christian right."
So people who identify as conservative Christians were not, in fact, so eager to go to war, and Bush has lost quite a bit of support there because if the war - at least according to this article.
Conservative Christians are also taking up global warming and environmentalism as causes. People on the left and right finding common ground again.
If there is one thing I like, it is stereotypes falling apart.
Here's an interesting article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/magazine/28Evangelicals-t.html?em&ex=1193716800&en=5b6318ccb514f1c9&ei=5087%0A
It addresses (among other things) something that I always saw as a contradiction - how the religious right seemed so willing to go to war. It quotes a religious leader, speaking of the Bush administration, as follows: "The quickness to arms, the quickness to invade, I think that caused a kind of desertion of what has been known as the Christian right."
So people who identify as conservative Christians were not, in fact, so eager to go to war, and Bush has lost quite a bit of support there because if the war - at least according to this article.
Conservative Christians are also taking up global warming and environmentalism as causes. People on the left and right finding common ground again.
If there is one thing I like, it is stereotypes falling apart.
Entirely heartening to see some in the religious community particularly those who refer to themselves as conservative Christians (whatever that means) attempt to come to terms with some of the inconsistences.
Entirely heartening to see some in the religious community particularly those who refer to themselves as conservative Christians (whatever that means) attempt to come to terms with some of the inconsistences.
It addresses (among other things) something that I always saw as a contradiction - how the religious right seemed so willing to go to war. It quotes a religious leader, speaking of the Bush administration, as follows: "The quickness to arms, the quickness to invade, I think that caused a kind of desertion of what has been known as the Christian right."
So people who identify as conservative Christians were not, in fact, so eager to go to war, and Bush has lost quite a bit of support there because if the war - at least according to this article.
Conservative Christians are also taking up global warming and environmentalism as causes. People on the left and right finding common ground again.
If there is one thing I like, it is stereotypes falling apart.
Here's an interesting article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/magazine/28Evangelicals-t.html?em&ex=1193716800&en=5b6318ccb514f1c9&ei=5087%0A
It addresses (among other things) something that I always saw as a contradiction - how the religious right seemed so willing to go to war. It quotes a religious leader, speaking of the Bush administration, as follows: "The quickness to arms, the quickness to invade, I think that caused a kind of desertion of what has been known as the Christian right."
So people who identify as conservative Christians were not, in fact, so eager to go to war, and Bush has lost quite a bit of support there because if the war - at least according to this article.
Conservative Christians are also taking up global warming and environmentalism as causes. People on the left and right finding common ground again.
If there is one thing I like, it is stereotypes falling apart.
Entirely heartening to see some in the religious community particularly those who refer to themselves as conservative Christians (whatever that means) attempt to come to terms with some of the inconsistences.
Entirely heartening to see some in the religious community particularly those who refer to themselves as conservative Christians (whatever that means) attempt to come to terms with some of the inconsistences.
When the leadership of a church strays to far from reality then people quit going, move to another church, or in set communities, fire them. <snip>
I'm catholic, and whatever the Vatican says, things aren't necessarily that way in my parish. The people who attend my church are not automatons following precisely the strict policies of Rome. Our priests are some of the best diplomats I've ever known. It's so funny to watch their facial expressions when they deliver an answer to certain questions. They have learned to explain God's plan for us using words that don't contradict Rome, but rather allow a diverse flock to see God in a way that fits their lives.
<snip the rest>
When the leadership of a church strays to far from reality then people quit going, move to another church, or in set communities, fire them.
I'm catholic, and whatever the Vatican says, things aren't necessarily that way in my parish. The people who attend my church are not automatons following precisely the strict policies of Rome. Our priests are some of the best diplomats I've ever known. It's so funny to watch their facial expressions when they deliver an answer to certain questions. They have learned to explain God's plan for us using words that don't contradict Rome, but rather allow a diverse flock to see God in a way that fits their lives.
I like most of your argument, but as an ex-catholic, I think you are contradicting yourself. It is my understanding that Rome has criticized "cafeteria catholics" who pick and choose which tenets of the faith they follow. So, I don't get how you can be a catholic and support gay marriage. I also don't get how you can say that a church changes and evolves over time when the catholic leadership are the ones most resistant to change. Where are the women priests?
I like most of your argument, but as an ex-catholic, I think you are contradicting yourself. It is my understanding that Rome has criticized "cafeteria catholics" who pick and choose which tenets of the faith they follow. So, I don't get how you can be a catholic and support gay marriage. I also don't get how you can say that a church changes and evolves over time when the catholic leadership are the ones most resistant to change. Where are the women priests?
Thanks for your comments. Have you read Gary Wills? I read "Papal Sin" which is quite a strong critique of recent popes (including issues like women priests) and was curious to see that he followed it with a book titled "Why I Am A Catholic". I haven't read it, but I'm curious how he handles the issue you are talking about. I am sure it is good - he is a very thoughtful and articulate writer.
DanetteDM,
Thanks for your comments. Have you read Gary Wills? I read "Papal Sin" which is quite a strong critique of recent popes (including issues like women priests) and was curious to see that he followed it with a book titled "Why I Am A Catholic". I haven't read it, but I'm curious how he handles the issue you are talking about. I am sure it is good - he is a very thoughtful and articulate writer.
Posted: Jul 2, 08 8:46pm
Hi Jack (correct?)
I'll look up that book too. The reason I'm a stickler on the 'admit' thing is because I am the supreme being in this little group and the whole point of the group is to try to bridge the us vs. them problem and find ways to discuss controversial issues without insulting each other.
One of the hardest things to do is to change positions on an issue. I respect people who can do that.
Posted: Sep 14, 08 3:48pm
Here's an interesting article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/magazine/28Evangelicals-t.html?em&ex=1193716800&en=5b6318ccb514f1c9&ei=5087%0A
It addresses (among other things) something that I always saw as a contradiction - how the religious right seemed so willing to go to war. It quotes a religious leader, speaking of the Bush administration, as follows: "The quickness to arms, the quickness to invade, I think that caused a kind of desertion of what has been known as the Christian right."
So people who identify as conservative Christians were not, in fact, so eager to go to war, and Bush has lost quite a bit of support there because if the war - at least according to this article.
Conservative Christians are also taking up global warming and environmentalism as causes. People on the left and right finding common ground again.
If there is one thing I like, it is stereotypes falling apart.
Entirely heartening to see some in the religious community particularly those who refer to themselves as conservative Christians (whatever that means) attempt to come to terms with some of the inconsistences.
Posted: Sep 14, 08 3:49pm
Here's an interesting article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/magazine/28Evangelicals-t.html?em&ex=1193716800&en=5b6318ccb514f1c9&ei=5087%0A
It addresses (among other things) something that I always saw as a contradiction - how the religious right seemed so willing to go to war. It quotes a religious leader, speaking of the Bush administration, as follows: "The quickness to arms, the quickness to invade, I think that caused a kind of desertion of what has been known as the Christian right."
So people who identify as conservative Christians were not, in fact, so eager to go to war, and Bush has lost quite a bit of support there because if the war - at least according to this article.
Conservative Christians are also taking up global warming and environmentalism as causes. People on the left and right finding common ground again.
If there is one thing I like, it is stereotypes falling apart.
Entirely heartening to see some in the religious community particularly those who refer to themselves as conservative Christians (whatever that means) attempt to come to terms with some of the inconsistences.
Posted: Sep 25, 08 10:35am
When the leadership of a church strays to far from reality then people quit going, move to another church, or in set communities, fire them. <snip>
I'm catholic, and whatever the Vatican says, things aren't necessarily that way in my parish. The people who attend my church are not automatons following precisely the strict policies of Rome. Our priests are some of the best diplomats I've ever known. It's so funny to watch their facial expressions when they deliver an answer to certain questions. They have learned to explain God's plan for us using words that don't contradict Rome, but rather allow a diverse flock to see God in a way that fits their lives.
<snip the rest>
I like most of your argument, but as an ex-catholic, I think you are contradicting yourself. It is my understanding that Rome has criticized "cafeteria catholics" who pick and choose which tenets of the faith they follow. So, I don't get how you can be a catholic and support gay marriage. I also don't get how you can say that a church changes and evolves over time when the catholic leadership are the ones most resistant to change. Where are the women priests?
Posted: Sep 25, 08 12:06pm
DanetteDM,
Thanks for your comments. Have you read Gary Wills? I read "Papal Sin" which is quite a strong critique of recent popes (including issues like women priests) and was curious to see that he followed it with a book titled "Why I Am A Catholic". I haven't read it, but I'm curious how he handles the issue you are talking about. I am sure it is good - he is a very thoughtful and articulate writer.