"You Never Want To." "You're Insatiable."

Dealing with Desire Differences

MichaelCastleman

MichaelCastleman

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Posted: Nov 20, 06 8:54pm

At any age, when couples first fall in love, they often can't keep their hands off each other. But, over time, typically six months to a year or two, sexual urgency subsides, and so does sexual frequency.

Why Sexual Urgency Declines Over Time

  • Initially people have fantasy pictures of each other—the "perfect stranger." But get to know someone, and even if they're terrific, they're not perfect. As time passes, fantasies fade, and you're left with reality. Now, that reality might be good enough for a long and happy relationship. But fantasies generally heat up libido. Reality has a way of cooling it.
  • When couples first connect, they give each other undivided attention. But over time, the demands of daily life intrude: career, family, household chores, paying bills. Dealing with daily life is distracting—and often sexually distracting as well.
  • At first, couples have great fun with each other. But over time, as chores compete with fun and sex time, fun becomes less of a focus and sex becomes less frequent. People start taking their relationships for granted. Combine that with concerns about financing the kids' college educations, and planning for retirement, and sex often takes a back seat.

Whatever the reason(s), after a while, in almost all long-term relationships, the sexual heat cools and frequency declines. When both people are in synch on this change, then reduced sexual frequency does not become a sore point. But typically, couples fall out of synch on desired sexual frequency and develop a desire difference. Today, desire differences are one of the leading reasons why couples consult sex therapists.

The High Cost of Desire Differences

When desire differences cause chronic conflict, both lovers lose their sense of humor, and a grim chill often descends over the couple's life together. Good will erodes, the quality of whatever sex the couple has declines, and the deterioration often extends to nonsexual aspects of the relationship, finding expression in irritability, bickering, and loss of generosity with each other.

The one who wants more sex typically feels rejected, unloved, confused, angry, unattractive, and deceived. Meanwhile, the one who wants less sex typically feels guilty, unloved, confused, and resentful of being turned into a sex object besieged by seemingly relentless sexual demands. Over time, desire differences often becomes festering sores that make both people feel miserable and estranged.

A major casualty of a desire difference is nonsexual affection, for example, cuddling while watching TV. The one who wants sex more typically initiates such affection, and interprets any positive response as a "go" sign for sex. As a result, the one who wants sex less, shrinks from nonsexual affection for fear that any reciprocation might be misinterpreted as sexual interest. The one who wants it more complains, "You're cold as ice." Meanwhile, the one who wants it less complains, "Can't you experience affection without immediately assuming it's sexual?"

As resentments deepen, what began as one problem, a desire difference, becomes two problems: the desire discrepancy and the hurt and resentment the situation causes.

Who Wants Sex More? And Less?

An informal survey of sex therapists suggests that the man has more libido in 60 to 70 percent of cases, while the woman wants sex more in 30 to 40 percent.

In our culture, men are assumed to be more eager for sex than women. When the man wants greater sexual frequency, the couple may experience distress, but they have a problem that feels culturally expected, therefore, "normal." However, when the woman has more libido, the problems engendered by their desire difference become compounded by the fact that both people are likely to view the situation as culturally unexpected, "abnormal," and therefore, even more distressing.

Who Controls the Sex?

When sex therapists counsel couples dealing with desire differences, they often ask, "In your relationship, who controls the sex?" Invariably, each spouse points at the other—and both are astonished to learn that their other half thinks they wield the sexual power. Meanwhile, each one feels utterly powerless. The one who wants more sex feels powerless because the less sexually inclined partner can shut sex down by saying "no." Meanwhile, the one who wants less sex feels powerless from being worn down by seemingly constant sexual demands and acquiescing to sex when not in the mood.

What Do You Really Want?

Therapists typically ask the partner who wants more sex: What do you really want? Sex? Or other things? Inevitably, the reply is: "I want sex." True enough.

But typically the higher-libido lover also wants more nonsexual affection, which has faded away because of acrimony over the desire difference. That person also want more attention in general, which has faded or disappeared because of the couple's mutual resentments. Those things are possible without sex.

Therapists typically ask the partner who wants less sex: How often do you want sex? Is there anything else you want? The typical reply: "I don't know how much I want sex because I never get the chance to experience my libido. I'm either fending off sexual advances or giving into them. It's never about what I want, only what he/she wants." True enough.

But typically, the lower-libido lover also wants the same things the greater-libido lover wants—more nonsexual affection and more attention in general—and doesn't get them for the same reasons, the erosion of good will in the relationship.

The realization that desire differences often mask nonsexual issues gives couples some room to negotiate. The higher-desire person might say, "I'm willing to have less sex if you pay more attention to me out of bed." The lower-desire person might say, "I'm willing to have more sex if you make me feel special out of bed."

More Things to Think About

There is no magic formula for dealing with desire differences. But here are some guidelines that often help:

  • Count your blessings.
    So you want sex twice a week, and your lover would be happy with sex twice a month. That's a drag, but at least the low-desire partner wants sex sometime. Many people don't want it at all—perhaps one-quarter of women and 10 percent of men, according to recent surveys. In cases of desire differences, sex itself if not the issue, just frequency.
  • Be flexible.
    Some people enjoy sex late at night when their lovers are tired. Some like sex under warm quilts, while others prefer it on the sofa with no covering at all. Over time, little differences can add up to big desire differences. Lovers with more libido might try to accommodate the intimate preferences of lovers with less.
  • Find a friend on the opposite side of a desire difference.
    If your friends have been coupled up for a few years, it's safe to assume that they, too, have desire differences. If possible, try to find a same-sex friend who is on the opposite side of the difference. If you're a man who wants more sex, try to find a guy who wants less, or visa versa. Explore how that person feels. It might give you a better understanding of that side of the issue.
  • Experience your power.
    You feel that your lover controls the sex in your relationship, and by extension, controls you. But that's not the case. You have more power than you think. It doesn't matter whether you're the one who wants sex more or less. You have the power to make your spouse think you have all the sexual power in your relationship. You have the power to turn sex into a subject that makes your lover feel miserable. And you have the power that comes from nursing a grudge, the power to destroy good will by obsessing about your complaints.

    A desire difference is like an ancient walled city under siege. The besieging forces have not broken through, but their presence and their demands for surrender places tremendous pressure on every aspect of the city's life. That's not victory, but it is power. Meanwhile, the defending forces have not repelled the attackers, but their resistance keeps the besieging army pinned down and preoccupied with the city and its inhabitants. That's not victory either, but it is power.
  • Explore underlying psychological issues.
    If the lower-desire partner has issues with self-esteem or body image, or if the higher-desire partner seems obsessively preoccupied with sex, or if either partner is dissatisfied with other aspects of the relationship, try to resolve these issues, or seek professional counseling.
  • You probably can't change your lover's libido.
    In couples with desire differences, each person hopes the other will somehow "come around" to their position on the libido spectrum. Libido can change. But any change must come from within, not from a lover's cajoling. In fact, pressure to "see the light" is most likely to cement intransigence.

Your Three Choices

A chronic desire difference creates three stark choices: You can break up. You can live in misery (with the more libidinous lover possibly seeking sex on the side). Or you can negotiate a mutually workable compromise. Which will it be? If you don't want to break up, or live in misery, you have only one choice, compromise.

To work out a desire difference, use the same negotiation skills involved in resolving any difference of opinion. State your own feelings as clearly as possible. Listen to the other person respectfully. Work to separate your love for the person from your disagreement over the frequency issue. Avoid name-calling and other signs of contempt. Try to maintain a sense of humor. Try to view the other person as a teammate, not as a player on an opposing team. With any luck, you'll be able to thrash out a compromise you can both live with.

Compromise does not produce happiness. It merely reduces unhappiness. If one person wants sex two or three times a week, while the other would be happy with once or twice a month, a reasonable compromise might be once every week or 10 days. Agreeing to, say, weekly sex means that neither of you gets what you truly want. It also acknowledges that you'll probably never get what you really want. But by compromising, you show flexibility and good faith, and a willingness to invest in the happiness and longevity of your relationship.

No negotiated frequency is set in stone. You might agree to weekly sex for, say, four months, and then agree to re-evaluate. Your compromise should also be flexible. Weekly lovemaking doesn't mean sex absolutely once every seven days. People get sick. Obligations arise. Adjustments become necessary. Try to be kind and understanding.

Of course, it's no fun to compromise. But if you don't want to break up, and you don't want misery (and possibly affairs), then compromise is the only alternative—and the sooner you negotiate a compromise for sexual frequency, the better off you are.

The Solution Sex Therapists Recommend: Schedule Sex Dates

One of the most maddening aspects of a desire difference is the feeling that you're constantly arguing about sex. One begs, pleads, and grovels: "Tonight?" "Tonight?" "Tonight?" The other says, "No," "I have a headache." "I'm not in the mood." Or the worst response, "Maybe." "Maybe" is the worst because it drives the more libidinous partner crazy: "Well, what'll it be? Sex? Or no sex?" That person becomes even more miserable and plaintive, which makes the lower-desire partner feel even more miserable and defensive.

These battles cease when you get out your calendars and schedule sex. Many people think the "best sex" is spontaneous. Perhaps that's true in new relationships, but in established relationships, the best sex is scheduled.

Scheduling means you both know exactly when you'll be making love. That's usually a tremendous relief for both lovers. Evenings become calmer, conversations less strained, resentments less stinging. Sexual uncertainty and accompanying resentments get replaced by sexual certainty and, over time, usually by grudging acceptance of the compromise solution. The one who wants more sex knows it will happen on specified dates and can look forward to it. The one who wants less knows sex will happen only when it's scheduled, and gets a welcome break from fending off advances.

What If I'm Not in the Mood?

A pervasive myth holds that sex should "just happen" when lovers are "in the mood." But by the time people have been together long enough for a desire difference to become a festering sore, sex never "just happens" because one person always seems to be in the mood while the other rarely is.

In the classic formulation, libido precedes sex. That's true for many people. But not all. University of British Columbia psychiatrist Rosemary Basson, M.D., has discovered that many women say they experience no particular desire for sex before it begins, but warm up to it as they make love. For these women, desire is not the cause of sex, but the result of enjoyable lovemaking. Basson's research has focused only on women. But it's not much of a leap to extend her findings to low-desire men.

If these women (and presumably men) don't experience a drive for sex, why do they do it? For other reasons, Basson contends: to please their lover, to feel close, as an investment in the relationship, and to reassure themselves that they are sexually attractive. In other words, many people have sex for reasons that are not strictly sexual.

What about new relationships when lovers can't keep their hands off each other? Basson's model still holds. People who feel a classic sex drive revel in their libido as they fall in love and enjoy hot sex. Meanwhile, people who feel more interested in physical and emotional closeness know that sex opens a door to them, so early in relationships, when they feel hungry for closeness, they, too, are up for lots of sex. But as the relationship develops, and the lovers settle into life together, needs for physical and emotional closeness become less intensely felt, and people for whom those needs are primary feel less interest in sex.

It's important for those who want more sex not to pressure their lovers by saying, "If desire doesn't precede sex for you, then your desire doesn't really matter. Just have sex with me whenever I want, and you'll get in the mood as we make love." This misconstrues Basson's research. Imagine a situation where your partner loves to socialize with certain friends. You like them, sort of, and usually come away from get-togethers having enjoyed yourself. But those friends are not entirely your cup of tea. How would you feel if your partner said: "It doesn't matter that you don't really care for them. Just play along and you'll have a good time by the end of the visit." That may be true once a month—but not twice a week. The key here is to negotiate a compromise for sexual frequency you both consider workable. Sex should never feel coerced.

But in the context of resolving a desire difference, it's equally important for those who want less sex to let go of the idea that they must feel "in the mood" before it's okay to become sexual. If you're feeling neutral about sex, and you have a sex date scheduled, there's nothing wrong with psyching yourself up for it. That's part of your frequency agreement. It's for the good of your relationship. You've been freed from the constant fights about doing it. Chances are you'll ultimately feel good about the experience.

Embrace Your Schedule in Good Faith

Once you've negotiated a compromise frequency, accept it. Neither of you is getting what you truly want. But both of you are getting a frequency you can live with. Try to see the glass as half full. Stop making snide, sarcastic remarks that remind your lover that you've made a huge sacrifice by accepting the compromise. Your lover already knows this—and has made a similar sacrifice. Do your best to put the bickering and divisiveness of your desire difference behind you.

Enjoy More Nonsexual Affection

Once you have regular sex dates, you both earn an immediate dividend—the freedom to give and receive nonsexual affection without it being misconstrued as a sexual invitation. Being touched, held, and cuddled are among life's most satisfying little pleasures. Affectionate touch gives physical expression to the emotional connection you and your lover share. It's a tremendous boon to relationships. Once your sex is scheduled, affectionate touch loses its sexual charge. Both of you can initiate hugging and cuddling secure in the knowledge that all you're doing is sharing nonsexual physical affection. That's usually a relief—and it allows affectionate touch to resume its important place in the relationship. (Note to the more libidinous partner: Don't misinterpret spontaneous affection as a sexual invitation. Your sex dates are scheduled. Stick to your schedule.)

Work to Restore Good Will

Desire differences can poison a relationship, making both people feel frustrated, angry, misunderstood, isolated, abandoned, and betrayed. A compromise frequency regulates your sexual frequency, but it doesn't automatically provide an antidote to the poison. You must create that antidote yourselves with acts of love, kindness, tenderness, and compassion. When lovers have chronic conflict, they often look for signals that the other person has declared a truce. They want the other person to start being nicer. But you don't control your lover. The only person you control is yourself. If you want to declare a truce, if you want to begin to restore good will in your relationship start being nicer yourself. Try to perform at least one act of loving kindness a day, preferably more.

Savor Your Solution

When couples negotiate a compromise for sexual frequency with scheduled sex, at first, both people feel wary. That's reasonable. Good will has eroded. Trust has been damaged. And both people may focus more on what they've given up than what they've gained.

But over time, assuming you both honor your agreement, return to nonsexual affection, and restore good will, tension subsides. You probably still have your desire difference, but the resentments slowly fade, and the quality of the relationship improves. As this happens, your sex usually improves as well. Over time, you both realize you've weathered a hard time and enhanced your relationship. You still probably have your desire difference, but you've negotiated a resolution you can both live with comfortably. Congratulations.

Reference:
Clement, U. "Sex in Long-Term Relationships: A Systemic Approach to Sexual Desire Problems," Archives of Sexual Behavior (2002) 31:241.

 
Member Comments
 
 
asnedeker1 asnedeker1

Posted: Nov 15, 07 9:11am

Hello!

I stated in the forum that I am having many questions about relationships. Factual-based information about marriage is always helpful.

My topic here has been a detailed description of my realization that the hpv I have is most likely caused by sexual contact. I have not chosen to have sex outiside of marrigae. I, in, ny case, do not

feel that having sexual contact should be the cause of my death. Aids and hpv are both serious diseases. This is where, differences in sex drive, can make a difference in a relationship. This paragraph is clear in my mind, but may be difficult for another person to follow.

I have related the fact to my husband that I have had a cry and two colposcopies, due to the hpv virus. He denies that it is his fault or has no feeling that he caused this trauma in my life. My husband refuses to even speak about what could cause hpv,

in our relationship. That is my 2 cents on this interesting topic.

 
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MichaelCastleman MichaelCastleman
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Posted: Nov 17, 07 7:15am

How long have you been married? It's possible that you contracted HPV before your marriage. Or perhaps your husband picked up HPV before he married you. Even if you've been married a while, it's still possible that your HPV wasn't detected until recently. Now of course, maybe he fooled around. But simply having HPV is no proof that he did.

 
 
 
asnedeker1 asnedeker1

Posted: Nov 19, 07 9:27am

Hello!

I appreciate your interest in my questions. My husband and I will

be married 32 years on December 27.

I have counseled with my family doctor and a doctor in psychology. I have another appointment soon with both

doctors.

The hpv case was about twenty years ago, when I had heavy suspicions that my husband was

thinking about divorcing me to marry someone else. What is disrupting me

now is that I feel my husband pulling

away again this week. The gut feeling

that is giving attention to another woman

is there again. I think the other woman

might be married. I had another

hang-up phone call again. I am trying to

pull things together by increasing my

interests in his sexual desires.

Part of the problem is a break-up

with his friend, that he has been

mall-walking with. The friend has some

sexual experience in his career with

working with Masters-Johnsons at

Indiana University, in psychology. That

can be a double-edged sword.

My questions about relationships

increase as I see people with children

from up to 3 or 4 different partners.

You look almost exactly like my

cousin's husband in Indiana. We are

also at a similar age and place in our

marriages. I have two grown children.

I think California is much more liberal

in divorce laws, so you can see my

problems more clearly.

 
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MichaelCastleman MichaelCastleman
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Posted: Nov 20, 07 11:30am

I applaud the fact that you're getting counseling. At some point perhaps you might bring your husband into your counseling, if he's into it. Or better, see a new couples therapist so he doesn't feel like he's being ambushed by "your" therapist.

 
 
 
Honeybee1 Honeybee1
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Posted: Jun 12, 08 5:22am

Wow! great read Michael, there is some really good pointers her, thanks for sharing.

 
 
 
roxley roxley
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Posted: Nov 20, 07 11:38am

Marriage definitely has its ups and downs. I try to remind myself of the "good" when we are in a slump. My husband is not one to talk about sex or desire or lack of it. Sometimes it can be very frustrating. Fortunately we are both committed to our marriage so that helps. How does one get a guy to "open up" a little more???

 
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MarkLynn MarkLynn
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Posted: Nov 26, 07 9:15pm

 
 
MichaelCastleman MichaelCastleman
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Posted: Nov 27, 07 9:32am

There is no magic button on a man that one pushes and suddenly he "opens up." Sounds like you've married a taciturn man. I suggest that YOU decide what you want, your highest sexual priority, whatever that is, and then assert yourself. If he won't talk, you have to if you want anything to change. This doesn't mean you have to nag or carp. Just state clearly and nonjudgmentally what you want. Repeat if necessary. I bet he takes some time to ponder your request, and then grants it or most of it.

 
 
 
CarolT CarolT
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Posted: Nov 27, 07 9:54am

MarkLynn,
Lingerie might work for you, but it certainly does not work for every man. The last time I put on sexy lingerie for my husband, he laughed, and that was the end of any romance that might have taken place that evening.

 
 
 
LanSr LanSr
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Posted: Nov 27, 07 11:01am
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CarolT - you mentioned lingerie... Earlier this summer I was in DFW, and dang! Victoria's Secret doesn't have ANYTHING for plus-sized (or bosom-sized, for that matter)... Whassup with that? I couldn't find a dang thing over 10-12, or 36C... blew my mind, so to speak... urk...

Why my wife no longer sunbathes in the nude...

Why my wife no longer sunbathes in the nude...

 
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writerx247 writerx247

Posted: Jun 12, 08 5:25am

Frederick's has plus sizes, and so do some of the more graphic sex websites. I have to buy larger because of my Dolly Parton-like bustline...so I feel your pain...

 
 
 
asnedeker1 asnedeker1

Posted: Nov 30, 07 9:35pm

I have some suggestions for helping a marriage. I will add them to this discussion, since I think they will help

out with some of those differences in marriage.

To start, talk about thoughts, feelings, hopes, desires, and dreams.

 
 
 
LanSr LanSr
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Posted: Nov 27, 07 10:48am
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I'd like sex every day or every other day; my wife would like sex the same. HOWEVER, she had a stroke, and I'm revisited by prostate cancer....

What this means is can-do doesn't match want-to. So we do the best we can with what we (don't) have; we hold hands more, we talk more, we touch each other more than we used to than as a foreplay maneuver; now it is more honest affection and appreciation...

When it does move it's more aural, oral, and manual than we were used to before. Where there's a will, there's a way.

And when J.R. isn't on the payroll (the little prick), we can still laugh some of it off, and cuddle, and whisper sweet nothings.

Nothing in my changed relationship has changed the fact she is my wife and we are married - I'm her 4th, she's my 3rd... and I for one, shudder over the fact I may have had someone calling me a limp d*ck s-o-b, when it would have been uncalled-for, tho' accurate... Not because of lack of desire, but lack of ability, which is a big difference... My first wife, after she became 'Born-Again' put sex on hold for 18 months as a 'present for Jesus'. Yeah, that went over well.... This time, our want to IS a present with a 'Thank You, Jesus' - and not in a heretical sense.

I know, this will probly come back and bite me in the bootie, but hey! if it helps someone out there recognize that at times physical handicap doesn't have to hurt the sensual, sexual, sensuous person living in the shell of what was, and it might help somebody, I'm a real, living person (not an anecdotal footnote in a sex paper) with dimensions beyond the bedroom, couch, kitchen table, carpet, bathtub, on top of the washing machine during spin-cycle... Damn I'm turning myself on now....

J.R. GET with the Program! Ah well....

J.R. GET with the Program! Ah well....

 
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MichaelCastleman MichaelCastleman
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Posted: Nov 28, 07 3:58pm

I applaud your attitude. Illness and disability need not end lovemaking. They change it, but creative lovers can adapt, as you guys have. In addition to what you're already doing, you might consider buying a few sex toys. If your wife wants intercourse, a well-lubricated dildo in your loving hands might provide you both with pleasure. If her stroke has impaired her ability to feel erotic pleasure, a vibrator might help. Try a Hitachi Magic Wand--very powerful. And some massage lotion or sexual lubricant might help both of you make the most of mutual caresses. I wish you sensual closeness and erotic fulfillment.

 
 
 
PisceanAmber PisceanAmber
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Posted: Dec 1, 07 5:31pm

Most women do not have orgasms from vaginal penetration, but rather from oral or masturbation. Nor do most women desire a John Holmes 12" cock. A man that is skilled in giving great oral will always go down in my book as a great lover. For me, it's a combination of digital and oral... namely, working the G-spot and the clit at the same time.

Does oral get you aroused? If so, slap a vibrating cock ring on it. That will maintain the erection.

Some of the new toys have multiple programs with different speeds and frequencies. There are specific ones that work the G-spot as well as the clit. My favorite so far is called Rock Chick... I rate it 5 stars. Zen Ferrari... 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds. I'll be selling this one on my web site in short order. We're working on it. www.revivesexualjoy.com

I wish you the best.

 
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Bill Schwartz Bill Schwartz
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Posted: Jun 12, 08 4:55am

I think what you are talking about is a Blended Orgasm as a male this is my favorite thing to give as the women is getting off so do I mentally and physically

 
 
 
paul58 paul58
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Posted: Mar 2, 08 2:18pm

I'm a healthy, normal sized and not unattractive American male. Married for 28 years to the same woman. She's a wonderful loving person who loves to help others, especially those in distressed circumstances - but has cut me out of her life. I work hard taking care of her and the kids (now almost grown). She doesn't work, but works out about 20 hours per week every evening for 3 hours+ Saturdays, and volunteers with several excellent organizations.

Sex was always an issue. I was never a 1 night stand guy, and loveless sex is not interesting. But I'd vote for 2-3 times per week based on mutual desire - it's my fantasy - initiated enthusiastically sometimes by her and sometimes by me. She would be happy without sex, not that she doesn't enjoy it once in a blue moon, but blue moons are few and far between.

I'm a prisoner to her sexual interest which is zilch towards me. So I can either capitulate to a life of no sex (ok, 28 years is already a lifetime of sex 10 times per year versus desired sex of 10 times per month), find another partner for sex (but then I attach sex and love so that creates other problems), or leave. Leaving was not an option when the kids were young. Our marriage wasn't so bad and I take my responsibilities seriously, but our marriage was lacking sex and why whine about that? But now that we're over 50 and the kids are in college or graduated the pull to remain together just isn't there. She has her friends, she'd rather spend time with them than me, it's only when we're together with our family that she softens and seems to enjoy being together. I'm ok being alone or working or being with my friends (most of whom are middle-aged & married). Is it decision time?

I resent me spending my life working to support an unappreciative spouse & partner. She's the only one among her friends who doesn't work (although her mom and sister didn't work and are supported by her dad and brother-in-law). But her mom kept a wonderful home for her dad and adores him, and I expected something like that.

A few years ago she renewed an affair after 20 years, I stayed because of 3 kids in high school. Her lover had cancer and died but it left a deep gash between us. Couples counseling was out of the question for her - she went to grief counseling, and I tried to keep a safe and warm place for her while she recovered. I went to counseling too, but this was out of the norm for the counselors I talked to and they couldn't offer anything to me.

At some point over the years I tired of being rejected every time I asked for sex or tried to cuddle or be affectionate - with or without expectations of sex. I just accept a quasi-celebate existance, but sex is one of the only things in marriage you are not free to go outside the marriage to satisfy. Am I alone out here?

In 6 months my youngest is off to college, and I fear my wife and I will wake up to the fact that we are on opposite sides of a grand canyon without any bridges. She's totally wrapped up in her life - I don't think she would notice or care if I left - as long as I keep paying the bills.

I'm not whining, but I do feel a deep loss.

 
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MichaelCastleman MichaelCastleman
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Posted: Mar 2, 08 9:43pm

Sounds to me like your marriage is over. I don't blame you for feeling deep loss. That's natural under the circumstances. But from your post, I infer that when your youngest goes off to college, you're done with the marriage, and intend to leave. From your description, that sounds justified to me.

 
 
 
paul58 paul58
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Posted: Mar 5, 08 4:17pm

Thanks for the comments.

I hate to give up, and I've never been a quiter. And the grass on the other side of the fence is no greener than it is on this side of the fence.

"Habit" is not the basis of a good marriage as we've all come to expect it. But how many people describe themselves as being "happily married", whatever that means? And what are the odds any of us will find better situations if we chose the separation & divorce path?

I'm not one to cheat. It's very hard to pull the plug, or to even know if that's the best thing to do. I don't want to.

 
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zcentinc zcentinc

Posted: Jun 12, 08 4:12am

Then don't give up. I am separated and after being out there for a while it seems the one thing that is pretty much common is that all divorcees are regretting there divorce unless the other partner was horribly cruel. I keep hearing communication is the key and most of us, no matter how educated or how positive we are about ourselves, suck at it! I know I do. I have my MSEE and I am a very intelligent guy but I suck at relationships. So I have entered " relationship university" ( I read a lot of books about it ).

Good luck

John