Polygamy Ranch...Save the kids?

I am shocked it happened in Texas - We execute people for heaven's sake.

I think Warren Jeffreys is a evil criminal and a leader of a cult not a religious group.

No one has the right to rape children or make them marry at such a young age.

In my opinion, these women are as crazy as he is for allowing all of it to go on.

I hope they are all prosecuted. I watched a documentary with interviews from some of the women/children who left this same group. The horror is unimaginable and should not be tolerated. Someone has to help these children, I hate they are separated from the only life they have ever known - but they are unaware of their rights as Americans.

That is just my opinion. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest!

Jackie on this one I disagree with your opinion.

The government should have taken away the men not the children. It is horrible for the kids to be taken from the mothers. Both the children and mothers need help.

I'm shocked that the media is perpetuating the myth from these men that the young girls are "spiritual brides" and their "wife".

They are 13-16 year girls, sexual abuse victims. These are girls being raped by 50 year old men, forced into marriage.

Their mothers have been the same victims of this abuse.

At great risk I'll point out a different perspective. [Because I do that]

In most cultures throughout the world women are married by the time they reach 14. Up through the 18th Century in Europe it was still common for girls to marry at 12-13.

This was the practice for most of recorded human existence, and still is everywhere but progressive western cultures. How then does it suddenly become "evil" or "child abuse"?

It's as though the world began in the Victorian era and ethics and morality don't exist beyond our borders.

If the people have broken our laws then they must be held accountable. I do not accept "Burn the witch!" mentality, where it seems the the guilty and innocent trade places.

This reminds me of something else that happened in Waco, Texas where the FBI murdered over 100 women and children "to save them from a cult!".

That is as sick as anything I've ever heard. TBD has a few cults going on here, I wonder if they involve the members children. Quick, call the FBI!

I haven't heard anything about this story. I don't watch sensationalist news stories, especially where sexuality and fear is used as the hook.

I suspect that the truth is quite different from what's being alleged by the US Government (Waco, Ruby Ridge) It'll be interesting to see how the story plays out, and hear the other sides.

This story smells like another chapter in the great new witch hunt of the 20th and early 21st Century (Sex Crimes)

This story is slimy on so many levels, it's scary. A classic case of Irritainment.

As I understand it, they have yet to find the woman who allegedly called in the complaint. Since people have a right to face their accuser, any legal case may face a challenge because of this. It is also disputable that there was any physical abuse. Part of the problem is that when the State attempted to enter the medical records into evidence, a thousand attorneys filed an objection, so these are under investigation.

Reports I have read indicate that there were no obvious signs of abuse (which doesn't mean there wasn't any). Meanwhile, of course, with no obvious accurser and no obvious signs of abuse, the children are being separated from their mothers.

The fact that young girls being allowed to marry in other cultures is not, I think, germane. While it may be acceptable in other cultures, it generally is not acceptable in this one. On the other hand, State intrusion is also generally unacceptable in this culture.

As mentioned, this is a very slimy story. I think the State jumped the gun a bit. They've got a shaky accusation, at best, and they appear to be on somewhat shakier ground if they can't show physical abuse.

Be very careful what you see in the Media. If you think they don't have an Agenda, you're crazy. They're out to sell papers and garner ratings. think the alleged Duke Rape Case if you doubt this.I generally suspect you could pick anygroup and you would find some way to portray that group as a "cult."

As I said, this is irritainment, pure and simple. it's pure sleaze, from both sides, but you just can't turn away.

Good points

I wonder if the "rape" and "abuse" accusations are statutory in nature. Since the girl was under 18 (or whatever the age is in Tx), then she cannot legally give consent.

The marriage practices of other cultures isn't germane, but I mentioned them to add a little background to the big picture.

Words like "evil" grab my attention.

There is also the "polygamy" angle to this, and that adds fuel to the moral fires. Moving to Tx seems like a crazy thing for him to do. Tx is one of the worst states in the nation in which to be accused of a crime, couldn't he see this coming? They're going to have a good ol' fashioned burning there you can bet on it.

I looked it up and have heard of this guy before. The media has been stockpiling the firewood for this for quite awhile. They've drug this guys body through the streets of public opinion for months.

Thanks for your comment. Disagree with me anytime! I like that! (It's one of my properties). :)

Jackie

SP:

Once again, (at great risk), I agree with you. You make some excellent points.

That, however, folks, does not mean that I dont agree with you too. I think that this is a complex thorny issues with many (valid) aspects of opinion.

TIE