HillaryCare

MoMan

Posted: Sep 18, 07 5:25am

National Health Care hurt both the Clintons the last time it was tried. The figure I hear most often is 45 million people who have no health insurance. That would mean 250 plus million Americans have health care insurance. The people who have health care know very well they will have to foot the bill for those who don't have it. Many Americans are pleased with the care they receive and fear it will change should National Health Care become a reality. Many voters feel that health care could become like the Post Office or Veterans hospitals. From a political point of view, the plan is also flawed. Americans who do not get paid health care often do not vote. On the other hand, people who have taken the time and interest to be successful enough to receive health insurance are more likely to be voters as well. Hillary Clinton wants to be all things to all people, and Americans know this is impossible. Voters know National Health Care will come with a rather high price tag. It becomes a question of how much compassion can Americans afford.

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Posted: Sep 18, 07 6:20am

National Health Care hurt both the Clintons the last time it was tried. The figure I hear most often is 45 million peop...

How much compassion can Americans afford? That sounds like an oxymoron. Compassion isn't like cake. You don't cut smaller pieces when there are more guests; you buy more cake.

Most affluent people never see the poor neighborhoods where the kids, the pregnant women and the elderly who are deprived of healthcare because they are not poor enough to qualify for help live. Maybe you've never seen a ten year old with rotted teeth because his parent can't afford dental care. Perhaps it doesn't bother you that the mortality rate in the inner cities is lowered by considerable years because of lack of healthcare.

Perhaps you don't see the middle class who may be out of health insurance because they are out of work. I am not a raging liberal. I do believe in cost-effectiveness in government and private business. I exercise it myself. I have great healthcare coverage but I don't run to the doctor every time I get a sniffle just because my plan pays for it. Prudent health management is something everyone should practice.

It wasn't health care per se that hurt the Clintons. It was how it was presented and what was contained in the proposed legislation. I agree. It was a mess. However, the fact that advanced civilizations such as the British Isles, and the Scandinavian countries manage cradle to grave health care without offending their populations or bankrupting their governments, should allow us examples and standards that are effective.

We who have ample will always be able to afford choices not available to the poor. That is very fair because it isn't an either-or proposition. Money always bought the best. I am talking about a low income, hard working couple who can't afford to spend $12,000 a year to get ANY health care. So, when their kid runs a high fever, they go to an emergency room which costs us $1200 for one visit and when it is more than a cold and he has to be hospitalized, the hospital can't reject him so we pay more somewhere somehow so that this event can be handled.

The issue is: What is both caring and prudent? I believe that basic health care which includes a family physician, major medical for real procedures and medication for the truly sick should be guaranteed for every American. I don't believe in waste. I am not rich but I would be considered well-off if we use the present means of measurement. I have that $12,000 a year insurance plan including dental, eyecare and prescriptions. I do not concern myself that my neighbor may not be able to choose the doctor whose name is carved on the side of the building while I can. I am concerned if he can't afford a doctor at all.

I congratulate you on your success. You earned it. Remember that not everyone is as wise and as tough as you. What are we supposed to do, sit behind our steel doors and say "bleep you" to those who have less than we do? I say find a way to be sensible and compassionate.

Posted: Sep 18, 07 10:34am

How much compassion can Americans afford? That sounds like an oxymoron. Compassion isn't like cake. You don't cut sma...

I think you have your oxymorons mixed up. You are looking for a government program which will stop the waste in health care. I am unaware of any government prgram which is not top heavy with waste. I also recall President Clinton presenting national health care at a State of the Union. He showed the nation a credit card we would all receive for health care. This would give every American free plastic. That put the fear of God into everybodies' pocketbook. I did not advocate one way or another. I did mean to say health care is a political pitfall for Hillary. She put her hand on that hot stove once; I always thought she was too political to make the same mistake twice. I've been wrong many times before but I can admit it and learn from it

Posted: Sep 18, 07 3:49pm

How much compassion can Americans afford? That sounds like an oxymoron. Compassion isn't like cake. You don't cut sma...

I fully agree with your new comment. There are many things of which you are totally unaware.

JanetRyan
JanetRyan
Staff

Posted: Sep 18, 07 4:59pm

National Health Care hurt both the Clintons the last time it was tried. The figure I hear most often is 45 million peop...

I agree MoMan that health care is a politcal hot potatoe, that it burned Hillary last time, and that lots of people who have health care are afraid of the cost of making such care available to others

I also believe that we as a nation could be doing so much better in this regard, and that not providing adequate healthcare to all Americans costs us in so many ways that are tough to tally...in lost productivity, in children never developing into the contributing members of society they could be, in emergency rooms overflowing with people who just need a doctor's attention, and especially in the mentally ill being unable to participate and live active and independent lives. All of this costs us, but because the cost is less easy to point to, its easier to pretend it doesnt exist.

As for Hillary...every candidate needs to appear to be, if not all things to all people, at least everything important to the largest group possible. Its been a long time since a viable candidate really told the truth about what can be done and what it will cost. I don't ding Hillary for her stance, its what it takes to win, and she's only doing whats necessary to win the chance to make a difference....just as they all are.

Posted: Sep 18, 07 10:11pm

I agree MoMan that health care is a politcal hot potatoe, that it burned Hillary last time, and that lots of people who ...

I am so impressed that staff employees take the time to reply to my comments. Pehaps I should have my people get in touch with your people. I may be unaware according to some members, but I know this sort of health care will cost me money. I am not willing to share what I worked to get with some one who did nothing to help themselves. Last November I spent one night in a VA hospital. It was nothing but a mess because they had the wrong guy in the computer. I kid you not. National health care will breed such mistakes, and voters know it. I may be too dumb to figure out this site, but I am sure Hillary has signed her political death nil, as sure as you may sign your own death as a result of HillaryCare. I plan to vote for her because I sincerely hope you get to experience what it is like to go to a VA hospital. Even though I have complete coverage from the VA. I pay for my own health care from real doctors. Will you have this option should HillaryCare become the national health care paradigm?

JanetRyan
JanetRyan
Staff

Posted: Sep 18, 07 10:23pm

National Health Care hurt both the Clintons the last time it was tried. The figure I hear most often is 45 million peop...

I won't pretend I know the right answer, but I'm an idealist who believes that if the smart people of this country decided quality and affordable health care for everyone was a problem we want to solve, we could do it. I don't want anyone who served our country to put up with the horrific care I hear about in VA hospitals. And I don't know that I've heard a workable solution yet. But I hate to have us stop looking for one just because its not easy. I'm a fan of open discussion because I think therein lies the beginning of solutions to the tough problems.

Posted: Sep 19, 07 1:54am

I won't pretend I know the right answer, but I'm an idealist who believes that if the smart people of this country decid...

Jane, I made a reply but it did not work when I clicked submit reply. So I must make this short, as I do not care to rewrite stuff. "I don't know," is OK by me. I am "unaware" myself. My point all along is not so much about the health care debate but the political fallout Hillary will get by revisiting this issue. Her defeat on health care over a decade ago means a lot to her, but it demonstrates to me an ego that will cause her political failure. Any advisor would tell her to avoid the issue for now, but she cannot help herself. BTW, I had lunch with the most beautiful woman ever to grace the great state of Florida, and health care never came up. Mo