Git-r-Done Gitmo?

wcbiv

Posted: Jun 13, 08 8:18am

Yesterday the Supreme Court handed the Bush administration a body blow and IMHO struck a blow for liberty!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13592908/

While, I concede the dissenting argument made by the minority that noncitizens on non-USA soil arent protected under habeas corpus protection, I embrace the ruling for strategic as well as moral reasons.

Wars (especially these undeclared ones without a country entity enemy) are not just battles of bullets and brigades but are also struggles of cometing ideas and visions..

When we show the world that our ideas are as powerful and unwavering as our military prowess we WIN!

When we show compromises of principals when they are seemingly inconvenient, we soil our ideals and project an amoral persona and our W/L record is also questionable. Our abilty to attrack and retain partners in these struggles is also diminshed (allies; Spain, France, etc. and fence sitters within the Islamic world).

In this case, I believe President Bush has been ill advised from the start and charted a course that was not only illegal but also not in the long term interest of the nation.

What say you?

Shoot on site, do not detain!

BTW; are we still looking for him?

Shoot on site, do not detain!

BTW; are we still looking for him?

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csh2008
csh2008
Founding Member

Posted: Jun 13, 08 8:27am

What the Communists on the supreme court did yesterday was set the most dangerous and expensive precedent this country has ever suffered. From now on we do not have the ability to detain and question foreign fighters in any war. The court even invalidated its own decision set down in WW II when German POW's tried to get habeous corpus and the court told them to pack sand. Of course those justices probably loved america while the commie five are bent on destroying it. I guess those left wing pinko's on the supreme court don't remember the 3500 people who died on 911. You would have to be the biggest pinhead in the world to think this is a good thing. It wasn't a blow against George Bush, it was a blow against the ability of our nation to protect itself from terrorism. Al Queda has won another victory and the supreme court did their work for them. We are a weak nation that is destroying itself without any effort on their part. Go do your happy dance, just remember how happy you were when these detainees are let loose to become even more effective in martyring themselves again. Luckily the judicial system is so slow and ineffective that it will be 20 years before any of them see a courtroom. The best solution for the military is to make sure no prisoners are taken in any future conflict.

Posted: Jun 13, 08 5:11pm

The ruling did not prevent the capture of prisioners (real soldiers or enemy combantants and all colors of the rainbow inbetween). It simply gave them due process to challenge their imprisonment as is outlined in the habeus corpus tenets of the US Constitution..

Posted: Jun 14, 08 2:50pm

I personally don't give a rat's ass about the comfort of these prisoners and as far as I'm concerned they can use whatever means necessary to get info out of them. Imagine how WW2 would have come out if lawyers were fighting the government on the treatment of prisoners.

VAriverboy
VAriverboy

Posted: Jun 14, 08 3:03pm

Well said, csh2008. The extreme liberal and commies have extended to all eneimes the priveledge of US Citizenship that our fathers and forefathers gave their lives for so that we might have them. Some of us will not understand what is going on until it's their kid or grandkid who is blown up on the schoolbus.

Riverboy

Posted: Jun 14, 08 3:07pm

The court somehow found prisoners of war have more protection under our laws than does an illegal from Tijuana.

That decision is so seriously, fundamentally, flawed Congress will almost certainly provide a law obviating it.

Posted: Jun 14, 08 4:04pm

As this was a Supreme Court ruling citing the Constitution for the basis of their ruling the only relief "would-be brown shirts" can hope for is a Constitutional Amendent which requires 2/3rds of the states to approve in separate contests...remember the ERA (a piece of legislation with much more support...still failed). ..Good Luck!

Congress cannot provide a solution for GWB this time and I suspect they are not inclined to try.

Posted: Jun 14, 08 5:02pm

As this was a Supreme Court ruling citing the Constitution for the basis of their ruling the only relief "would-be brown shirts" can hope for is a Constitutional Amendent . . .

Oh you silly, silly person.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the Constitution: “ The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

Constitution amendment required my arse.

Try reading the decision instead of listening to reporters. <==Click

Find the words "Opinion of the Court" and start there. Where the second paragraph says:

We do not address whether the President has authority to detain these petitioners nor do we hold that the writ must issue. These and other questions regarding the legality of the detention are to be resolved in the first instance by the District Court

The reality of their findings is that the Detainee Treatment

Act of 2005 needs it's wording strengthened.