Army shooting live pigs for training????

Naidre Wild Tide

Posted: Jul 21, 08 1:44pm

Army to shoot live pigs for medical drill

Army to shoot live pigs in Hawaii in trauma training drill for soldiers heading to Iraq

JAYMES SONG

AP News

Jul 18, 2008 04:37 EST

The Army says it's critical to saving the lives of wounded soldiers. Animal-rights activists call the training cruel and outdated.

Despite opposition by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the Army is moving forward with its plan to shoot live pigs and treat their gunshot wounds in a medical trauma exercise Friday at Schofield Barracks for soldiers headed to Iraq.

Maj. Derrick Cheng, spokesman for the 25th Infantry Division, said the training is being conducted under a U.S. Department of Agriculture license and the careful supervision of veterinarians and a military Animal Care and Use Committee.

"It's to teach Army personnel how to manage critically injured patients within the first few hours of their injury," Cheng said.

The soldiers are learning emergency lifesaving skills needed on the battlefield when there are no medics, doctors or facility nearby, he said.

PETA, however, said there are more advanced and humane options available, including high-tech human simulators. In a letter, PETA urged the Army to end all use of animals, "as the overwhelming majority of North American medical schools have already done."

"Shooting and maiming pigs is outdated as Civil War rifles," said Kathy Guillermo, director of PETA's Laboratory Investigations Department.

The Norfolk, Va.-based group demanded the exercise be halted after it was notified by a "distraught" soldier from the unit, who disclosed a plan to shoot the animals with M4 carbines and M16 rifles.

"There's absolutely no reason why they have to shoot live pigs," PETA spokeswoman Holly Beal said.

The bloody exercise, she said, is difficult for soldiers because they sometimes associate the animals with their own pet dogs.

Cheng said the exercise is conducted in a controlled environment with the pigs anesthetized the entire time. He had "no doubt whatsoever" in the effectiveness of the instruction, which he called the best option available at the base.

"Those alternative methods just can't replicate what the troops are going to face when we use live-tissue training," he said. "What we're doing is unique to what the soldiers are going to actually experience."

Cheng didn't have details about the number of pigs, how they were acquired or the weapons involved in the training.

The soldiers being trained are with the 3rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, which is deploying to Iraq this year.

"We understand (PETA's) concerns and point of view. At the same, the Army is committed to providing the soldiers with the best training possible," Cheng said.

Disappointed at the Army's decision, PETA on Thursday instructed its 2 million members to inundate the Army with calls and e-mails.

"We're hoping at the 11th hour here that we can have this stopped. We have to hang on to hope," Beal said.

PETA believes the U.S. military has conducted similar training at other bases using pigs and goats.

Source: AP News

61 Comments // 21 Members

Posted: Jul 21, 08 1:54pm

This is barbaric.

Posted: Jul 21, 08 1:55pm

There is nothing new about this.

There was a pig that was victimized for my very breakfast this very day.

Also three potential chickens.

Posted: Jul 21, 08 2:42pm

There is nothing new about this.

There was a pig that was victimized for my very breakfast this very day.

Also three potential chickens.

I am not for or against animal killing for food, it is what it is, but this is shooting an animal and then learning have to save it, sorry but it is barbaric and there is not reason for it to be done. Would you like to suffer just so that someone can learn how to save you? I know they don't go around shooting pigs in medical school, now do they??

Posted: Jul 21, 08 2:49pm

This is so bizzare I'm going to have to go away for a while to work out what I really think ;-?

Posted: Jul 21, 08 2:56pm

I got a list of people they could use and save the pigs....I'm pretty sure I wouldn't miss 'em... could Joe and I have one the pigs for breakfast next weekend?

Posted: Jul 21, 08 3:09pm

Shooting pigs for the sake of shooting pigs can seem barbaric and unthinkable. I personally would never, ever do anything like that, ever.

I am a clown. Just a clown.

The senseless slaughter of animals is not new. The slaughter will continue as long as there are animals to slaughter. I have nothing to do with this, well, directly anyway.

I also have not the energy, time and ambition to organize to try and stop it.

Perhaps they do kill pigs in medical school. I don't know and really also, don't care.

Posted: Jul 21, 08 3:32pm

PETA has always thought more of animals than humans.

Short of using PETA leadership for the training, I am unaware of any regimen more likely to save human lives. Wound away.