9/11 Changed Everything.

mrwrite

Posted: Sep 11, 08 2:31pm

Since September 14, 2001, the United States has been governed under a "declared state of emergency". Continuity of government plans were put into effect and, to date, have never been rescinded. In fact, they have been continued, quietly, each year.

Congress has been denied access to the plans. Let me say that again: your elected representatives have been denied access to these continuity of government plans. It is your duty as a citizen to stay informed - - this rises above partisan politics.

http://www.constitutionally.blogspot.com/

Do I Have to Obey Orders From an Unconstitutional Government?

I am a loyal citizen of the United States of America, and I believe deeply in the vision of the Founding Fathers, the rule of law as enshrined in the Constitution, and the liberty that our forefathers fought and died for.

I have therefore felt a duty to obey the laws of the U.S. my whole life.

However, it is likely that the U.S. no longer has a constitutional form of government.

As the Washington Post noted in March 2002, Bush hid from Congress the fact that Continuity of Government (COG) plans were implemented on 9/11 and were still in effect many months later, and stated:

"It was unclear yesterday whether any federal documents -- prepared either by the current White House or by Bush's predecessors dating to Dwight D. Eisenhower -- specify whether congressional leaders should be told if the plan is put into effect. At least one relatively general document, a 1988 executive order entitled "Assignment of Emergency Preparedness Responsibilities," said the White House's National Security Council "shall arrange for Executive branch liaison with, and assistance to, the Congress and the federal judiciary on national security-emergency preparedness matters."

The executive order, signed by President Ronald Reagan, is a precursor to documents outlining the contingency plans in greater detail, which have not been made public. Regardless of whether Bush had an obligation to notify legislative leaders, the congressional leaders' ignorance of the plan he set in motion could raise the question of how this shadow administration would establish its legitimacy with Congress in the event it needed to step in for a crippled White House.

At least some members of Congress suggested yesterday that the administration should have conferred about its plans, which were first reported in The Washington Post yesterday.

"There are two other branches of government that are central to the functioning of our democracy," said Rep. William Delahunt (D-Mass.), a member of the House Judiciary Committee. "I would hope the speaker and the minority leader would at least pose the question, 'What about us?' "

So What?

Remember that, in the summer 2007, Congressman Peter DeFazio, on the Homeland Security Committee (and so with proper security access to be briefed on COG issues), inquired about continuity of government plans, and was refused access. Indeed, DeFazio told Congress that the entire Homeland Security Committee of the U.S. Congress has been denied access to the plans by the White House (video; or here is the transcript). The Homeland Security Committee has full clearance to view all information about COG plans. DeFazio concluded: "Maybe the people who think there’s a conspiracy out there are right”.

And University of California Berkeley Professor Emeritus Peter Dale Scott has warned:

"If members of the Homeland Security Committee cannot enforce their right to read secret plans of the Executive Branch, then the systems of checks and balances established by the U.S. Constitution would seem to be failing.

To put it another way, if the White House is successful in frustrating DeFazio, then Continuity of Government planning has arguably already superseded the Constitution as a higher authority."

Indeed, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said that "because of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the American public needs no explanation of [Continuity of Government] plans".

What Does This All Mean?

Continuity of government documents probably require that Congress be notified of the details of implementation of COG plans. But since the executive is hiding such documents from Congress and the people, so we can't be sure.

Regardless, the executive has failed to "establish its legitimacy with Congress" or the American people, because it is hiding the documents which created the COG emergency government and which give it emergency powers and specify its obligations.

In other words, even if the COG documents were harmless and say "we will coordinate with Congress and the courts and follow the Constitution", the fact that the White House is hiding the documents, refusing to disclose what acts it has taken pursuant to extraordinary authority granted by the COG plans, and refusing even to say whether a COG government is still in effect renders the current government unconstitutional and illegal.

I consider myself a law-abiding citizen, and I cherish the Constitution, the rule of law, and the American form government established by the Founding Fathers.

But do I have any duty to obey the orders of a government that cannot even establish its basic legitimacy? A government which is itself violating the Constitution and the rule of law? A government that is trying to dismantle the vision that the Founding Fathers and everything that our forefathers fought and died for?

This essay doesn't even discuss spying on Americans, failure to comply with Congressional subpoenas, signing statements, torture, wars based on false intelligence, or the numerous other unconstitutional acts by this administration. It solely focuses on the unconstitutionality of the COG plans.

And it doesn't even get into guessing what the Founding Fathers might have thought about this bunch of tyrants.

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/09/do-we-have-to-obey-orders-from.html

79 Comments // 19 Members

Posted: Sep 11, 08 2:36pm

Yeah, I'll have a Double Double and a chocolate shake. Thanks.

Posted: Sep 11, 08 2:41pm

Yeah, I'll have a Double Double and a chocolate shake. Thanks.

Hi Dallas!

Posted: Sep 11, 08 6:34pm

Well MrW. You have done far more research and presented far too compelling an argument for the average "citizen" to comprehend or ignore. Where does this leave us? In light of our current "election" situation, if BO "wins" - is this all erased or is he compelled to continue it? If Palin "wins" (yes, Palin) - I fear she will feel no responsibility to hide her agenda from the American public - and this all will be revealed. If this is true, then, is not the end result out of our hands? I have taken to closing many of my posts on another forum with "this is Germany just prior to Hitler's election" perhaps it is also suited to this thread?

Warmly,

Kate

Posted: Sep 11, 08 7:43pm

This is a new one on me. First I've heard of it. I'm sure the term "continuity of government" was first coined in response to the cold war and threats to nuclear MADness.

But in neo-conservative hands . . . and the lack of comment by the Bush admin - makes me suspect the cog plan is still in force, and may even have been periodically updated.

I wonder, have they enshrined hijacking elections as a matter of policy?

There must be some way to compel disclosure. Nixon demonstrated that the executive office is not completely above the law. Then again, we don't want to arrest Bush without also netting Cheney! At least, certainly not before January.

Posted: Sep 11, 08 8:19pm

I think we should arrest George and Dick for Contempt of the People, and hold them in a secret location, without access to an attorney, and keep them under lock and key until such time as they disclose everything regarding this matter.

So who's next in line? Would that be Nancy?

Posted: Sep 12, 08 7:57am

I have taken to closing many of my posts on another forum with "this is Germany just prior to Hitler's election" perhaps it is also suited to this thread?

It is ... I'll look for a link to an article in Radar that was my first introduction to this .. entitled The Last Roundup.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19871.htm

It's very well researched and more than a bit disconcerting. Another resource that I think every patritoic citizen should read echoes your point about Germany in the late 30s ... and that's Naomi Wolfs "The End of America; letter of warning to a young patriot". She has a close friend who is active in politics and activism that served as her inspiration ... but the book would not have been published if not for an old family friend who survived the Holocaust.

This woman kept telling her, over and over and over again, 'this is just what they did in Germany'. Naomi would smile and say, 'it's okay ... this is America'. Finally one day the old woman wouldn't let her leave it alone ... and produced six or seven books and said 'I'm serious about this ... look, read, learn!'

She thinks of America as a 'closing' society ... and that we need to focus on the echoes of history. There has been a fascist shift in the way regular Americans view their country ... and it's bad news for the Constitution.

Ten Steps To Close Down an Open Society:
1 Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2 Create a gulag
3 Develop a thug caste
4 Set up an internal surveillance system
5 Harass citizens' groups
6 Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7 Target key individuals
8 Control the press
9 Dissent equals treason
10 Suspend the rule of law

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/ten-steps-to-close-down-a_b_46695.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

Posted: Sep 12, 08 8:07am

I think we should arrest George and Dick for Contempt of the People

There have certainly been enough high crimes and misdemeanors to have them sitting in the cells below the Senate floor this very minute. And each member of Congress swore an oath to defend the Constitution, not the government, from all enemies ... foreign and domestic.

I have said it many times ... but it bears repeating here: January 20, 2009 is the most significant date in American history; if there is a peaceful transition of power on that day, there's hope. But everything this administration has done has set the stage for total federal control of the population. Senators and Congressmen have been sounding the alarm ... but can't get heard over the noise of Paris, Britney and Survivor. We're indoctrinated, even with our televisions (Big Brother, Survivor, etc.) that 24/7 scrutiny is not only okay .. but something to aspire to achieve. Nation-wide ID with embedded RFID chips. And the bible-belt ignores the mark of the beast and votes their one issue .. and against their self interests cycle after cycle as we get distracted with pigs and lipstick and other petty squabbles.