The Natural World Vs The Supenatural World

Rafael,

Are all people allowed to respond to your thread, or only people that agree with you?

We all need to believe something: I believe I'll have a beer.

Only people that understand something about what I am talking about.

First question for the discussion:

How do you know this?

And, once we answer that, just what ARE the "Law of the Spirit of Life" and the "Law of the Spirit of Death"?

And why do I think I'm going to regret asking any of those questions?

This is according to he Bible and since you dont believe in it then you are going to start from a different premise. This is from the premise that God is real and the Bile is His Word. I want to discuss it from those premises up. I dont want to talk about if God exist or not. That is waste of time. We could be here forever. Thank you for your cooperation. But if you want, you can read. Deal?

Let's start with your first premise:

"God created things perfect"

Where does the Bible say that? I believe that you have assumed that, or have been taught that. I do not believe that it is explicitly written in the Bible.

Don't assume that I am unread, just because I do not agree with you.

My question does not violate your premise. Please answer.

Secondly, where does the Bible say that disasters, sickness, war, and all measure of nasty things are the result of the "fall" of man (the whole "eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge")?

As far as I know, THIS is the punishment for having eaten of the tree of knowledge:

To the woman he said,

"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;

with pain you will give birth to children.

Your desire will be for your husband,

and he will rule over you."

17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife

and ate from the tree about which I commanded

you, 'You must not eat of it,'

"Cursed is the ground because of you;

through painful toil you will eat of it

all the days of your life.

18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,

and you will eat the plants of the field.

19 By the sweat of your brow

you will eat your food

until you return to the ground,

since from it you were taken;

for dust you are

and to dust you will return."

Sure, I can see the implication, but no explicit menton of disasters, sickness, or war. You're interpreting.

Rafael, just a small criticism here. You should not assume by boothyby's question that he does not believe. He was simply asking a few questions. Please try to be more open to that.

In all frankness, your post is not very clear, and confusing as well. It has taken several reads for me to think that I have some understanding of what you are saying.

First, I have studied the Bible a great deal, and I am sure you would agree that these laws you speak of are never mentioned in the Bible. As such, they are merely someone's (I don't know who's) interpretation and opinion of the deeper meanings contained therein.

I assume however that at least part of what you are speaking of, is what is commonly referred to as the struggle between good and evil. ie, the conflict between God and Satan, and Satan's attempts to corrupt God's creation. The book of Job of course gives us a perfect example of this struggle. And the Bible makes it clear that all people have a responsibility to seek the good of God. This is done in part through prayer. But clearly, this conflict will be resolved at the "End of Days" when God proves his righteousness my means of the New Kingdom under His Son, Jesus Christ.

On a philosophical point, I have always had problems with the terms natural and supernatural. If it is possible for something to exist, it is by force natural. There is only that which is beyond our experience or understanding, which is often perceived as supernatural.

I feel that I should at this point note, at the risk of your dismissing everything I've said, that I am not a Christian.