Yowza... if I had a webcam, I'd be contributing in a heartbeat! I'm not being patronizing or anything like that... I'll call you right now... 1(800)Where Is He? Yeppers, I saw the number published...

< Heh-Heh > I was, as they say, caught up in the moment when I wrote that. I tend to 'write from the hip', however, as LanSr pointed out, I remain one of the most accessible people on the internet. My phone numbers, fax numbers, eMail addresses are all over the internet and even accessible here, I'm certain. If in doubt, just 'Google' me ...

You know, I'm a steak and potatoes kinda guy. I've worked in sales a lot in my life and I've honed it down to "ya wanna buy a duck?"

If anyone's selling me something -and I'll admit I'm not the norm- I want them to tell me what it is and how much.

Boom: "It's a duck! $5.oo!"

If I've got questions, I'll ask 'em. If I don't want a duck I'll tell 'em and save both them and me a whole lot of time.

So, my friend, What is it and how much?

Boom!

<ROFL> Anything we want it to be. This is not the expression or manifestation of any single individual.

Let me take the liberty of appending a letter I just wrote when asked to 'bottom-line it for me'. the names have been changed to protect the innocent:

There is an extreme reluctance on the part of humanity as a whole to take the internet, commonly referred to as 'cyberspace' ( That's a clue, huh ? ) seriously. It is believed to be ( 'faith defined as belief in things unseen' ) etherial and unreal. One of the biggest rationales for this posture is lack of, as the modern day pundits put it, is the lack of 'monetization'. " How does one earn a decent, honest living online ? "

The lack of material 'evidence' so to speak.

There is also a great quandary ( that word is almost uniquely suited for this conversation ) about forming virtual structures, partnerships, corporations ( legal persons ) relationships in the emerging environment- Such that the quandary alone interferes with meaningful & productive action, manifestation.

The purpose of this group or discussion if you will, is to transcend those barriers and build a work group. Actually do something, as I said meaningful and real. To actively and with intention to engage ourselves in the careers of others ...

This emerging media, albeit poorly named, is as real, in some ways more real, than consensus reality.

In a nutshell, we hope to gather together the right people and put them together in such a way as to create cash flow and by example enable others to do likewise- who will in turn enable stil more people- who will in turn enable even more people ad infinitum ...

'10 MPH:The Journey - A Do-It-Yourself Production'

The example I chose ( It chose me actually. Synchronicity. ) is extremely good, extremely powerful. Watch it, It's priceless, literally and figuratively and then read the 'Manual' labeled, appropriately 'DIY' ' Do It Yourself'

Another example perhaps ...

We, collectively, are gathered here for a reason. What is the most productive way we can work together?

There is a complex multidimensional model

of the Universe which represents ultimate

reality as a realm of light. seen from a particular

vantage point one can almost discern clusters

or communities of color like unto our rainbow.

There is no real difference or distinction between

one color and the next and yet our perception

is nearly distinct bands or or arrays of color.

A particular grouping tends to manifest itself

as yellow, for example. Another as orange,

and so on down the line.

People, in a way, are like that. When combined

in such and such a manner, magical things tend

to happen. That is the nature of humanity.

In the early days of this discussion we tended

to talk about a method of matching people we

called, for lack of a better term,' reverse triage'.

People were matched, generally in groups of

around twelve in such a way that all of their

individual weaknesses were ameliorated and

their strengths enhanced.

One starts with the most obvious strengths.

That group which has, in a manner of

speaking, the 'longest & strongest suits'.

That group which requires the least training

and support to produce the greatest good.

In the conversation about livelihood, that

group which has the greatest probability

of the highest monetary success.

After the individual needs of the group

are taken care of, collectively, all proceeds

are in turn utilized to train and support the

next level down. They in turn are empowered

and employed. After their collective needs

are met, all additional proceeds are focused

on the next group and so on down the line.

This is a gross over simplification, of course

but it should serve to illustrate the point.

We, collectively, are gathered here for a reason.

What is the most productive way we can work

together?

Don't forget to reset your clocks before going to bed!!

Rev, I agree with your question, and am actually responding to Singulus's reply, because I don't think he's so much meaning to sell anyone a duck as to start a conversation about what duck folks might want to be part of designing...I think. But thats where I'm looking for clarity.

Singulus, I disagee that the world is not taking the internet seriously. Maybe the world as a whole (though I'm not ready to cede even that point) but certainly in the US, in financial markets and in media circles, the internet is taken very very seriously. How else do you account for Google and Facebook's extreme valuations?

I also disagee about the quandary around legal structures...there are no perfect one size fits all models, but there are plenty of workable legal entities tackling internet business issues. In the past 12 years I've been a sole proprietor, an LLC, an S corp and a C corp with various other partners and situations, all working on better monetizing new media and online businesses, and funding my own life in the process. So, perhaps I'm deeper into this space than some, (or one specific piece of the puzzle you want to solve) but I'd hardly call legal structures a barrier to addressing the challenge of online business.

You are clearly talking about something else, something more specific you have in mind that you don't see being addressed. And I get that you want to form a group of like minded individuals to explore this together, which I think is great. I am just not clear how to engage with a conversation so unbounded.