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10. Forgiveness
M't:18:21: Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? M't:18:22: Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. M't:18:23: Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. M't:18:24: And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. M't:18:25: But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. M't:18:26: The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. M't:18:27: Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. M't:18:28: But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. M't:18:29: And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. M't:18:30: And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. M't:18:31: So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. M't:18:32: Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: M't:18:33: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? M't:18:34: And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. M't:18:35: So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Peter here takes it for granted that we must forgive, but he wonders if seven times is sufficient. We have a proneness to put limitations on God’s commands. Jesus responds to Peter, “Not seven times, but until seventy times seven,” a certain number for an infinite number. To actually keep count of our brother’s offenses is in itself unforgiving. God multiplies His forgiveness and so should we. Jesus further illustrates by the following parable seven things:
1. A certain master forgives his servant a sum of ten thousand talents because the master was compassionate. Every sin we commit is a debt to God. We are all debtors.
2. There is an account kept of these debts. Our conscience upon awakening causes us to ask, “How much do we owe you, Lord?”
3. The debt of sin is enormous and some of us owe more than others.
4. The debt of sin is so great that we have no way in ourselves to pay it.
5. If God should deal with us apart from Christ and demand satisfaction of the debt, we would justly deserve great punishment for not satisfying the debt.
6. The servant knew he was in debt but wasn’t concerned about until he was called to give account. Although we have no means in ourselves we also beg God for patience with us.
7. The master grants discharge in full for the debt. There is forgiveness with God for the greatest of sin.
God cancels our obligation and judgment is vacated. The duty the servant has remains intact though. Now the servant is given the opportunity to do likewise and he fails to do so. This represents the sin of those who are selfish and unmerciful in their dealings with others. The debt here was very small compared to the servant’s debt. The servant is unrelenting in that he did physical violence in demanding payment to him. This debtor to the servant humbles himself and asks for patience, begging for time to repay the debt. The servant does not consider it and cast’s him into debtor’s prison. Many who saw this were grieved by the action of the servant. They went to the master and relayed what they had witnessed.
Our complaints should not be directed to each other, but brought to God and left with Him. The master is justly resentful of his servant’s cruelty and rightly so as he reminds him of the debt he had pardoned the servant of. He shows him his lack of compassion and lack of conforming to the example that the master had set before him. The master then revoke’s the pardon and demands punishment in the fullest. “Father, forgive us our sins as we forgive our debtors.” No malice can be harbored toward another if we do not forgive from the heart. God denies pardon when we disqualify ourselves of them. This is proof of lack of genuine repentance.
Can you tie today’s parable in directly with Calvary and one of Jesus’ last words on the cross?
Is there someone you just cannot forgive, but today realized that likewise you will not be forgiven by God?
Will this parable help you in not counting the sins of your spouse, or family, or neighbor against you and why?



Posted: Jan 10, 08 1:36am
With forgiveness is incumbent repentance. What of the man who doesn't repent? Forgive, or just forget?
My step/adopted was a pedophile. Sodomised me, a brother and raped two sisters... Has never repented, thought he was doing a God Thang, a parent's duty for sex education... still doesn't hink he did wrong, even when I got him felony conviction after my law school B.S. and before Amber Law there was tracking him. Until he married an illegal immigrant, had three kids and dropped off map. 'Til he started screwing oldest and she ran to authorities (go, girl!) NOW, he's sorry, sorry bastard, do I forgive him? Yes, because I'm a sorry bastard (though I know my folks - so does he, just a phrase) too... Am I glad he's going at age 71 for 10-35 years - YES!!! THANK YOU JESUS!!
And funny thing, he doesn'tknow why he's behind bars - doesn't think he's done anything wrong... only taught his kids sex ed... three generations worth... still doesn't want to meet me in prison yard, though... Funny how it all works out.... He's a new fish worth millions; I'm not and he's afraid of moi... bask a tad here....
I pray for his daughters and wife... Him? F*ck him! Let God sort him out... I hope he gets raped and dies of AIDS, c*ks*ker
Posted: Jan 10, 08 1:48am
I believe today's study is going to be responsive and reflective.
People commit atrocities. You were victimized. I was victimized. The point is truly that it is the Holy Spirit within us allowing us to extend forgiveness to even an unregenerate soul.
I have heard it erroneously said that is we genuinely forgive, we no longer remember. Foolishness!
Forgiveness from God clears our debt. Our forgiveness extended to others does not reflect that person's need for punishment for his crime. The process is, "Forgive us our debts, (exactly) as we forgive our debtors."
I am always eager for your contributions, sir.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 8:18am
Forgiveness allowed you to move ahead. Holding in the anger, hurt and betrayal would have destroyed you. And God will hold him accountable for his horrendous behaviour that was inflicted upon you innocent children.
God requires us to forgive, not to pretend like it never happened. God is the ultimate judge and I would hate to be in the shoes of this man when he faces his Creator.
I really believe that "hell" will be when we are shown what our potential was versus what we actually did with our lives through the choices we made.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 2:03am
Upon reflection, if I keep W* R* Hillier, convicted pedophile, felon sodomite, XXX'ed out, alive, I ruin my ownself if I kill him.
I forgive you, you c*cks*ker.... maybe I'm not ready to forget all the way yet, and this is part of last week's lesson with the for whom much is asked, is much forgiven, right?
Long way to go....
sowy...
editor, I'm a prick, what can I say? He's a rectum orifice, and he hurt me, a brother and two sisters... He's lucky he's alive...
Posted: Jan 10, 08 5:25am
Reflect upon... he will pay for his sins twice.
Once here on earth, dieing in prison (most likely at his age) almost a delightful thought (but that would be wrong); and then he must face the judgement, and the reading from the Book of Life.
He will pay most dearly for his crimes.
We love you.
:Jaki
Posted: Jan 10, 08 5:45am
Absolutely, Jaki, the addition we needed today. Thanks!
Posted: Jan 10, 08 2:13am
Earliest post allowed me his name, address, (could have probably added phone) and age in post... I'm not a saint, but he has enough problems I don't have to add more... After akk, though live in my mind, his hurts to me are DANG! 36 years ago! Time to let go and let loose, ya thank?
Resentment = Reliving the past, hoping for a new outcome
Worry = Reliving the FUTURE, hoping for a new outcome
Prick = Juggler of Past and present (LanSr addition)
Posted: Jan 10, 08 2:21am
editor, One more time you've wrought wonders, with Christy Lane singing background music... Guess what, he doesn't have to ask repentance; his fear is proof enough,
and that I can forgive... we have no car... If I had a horse, I'd have said,, "Kick him!", whatever....
Love y'all...
moi
Posted: Jan 10, 08 2:24am
I am following you, sir. Why can't we let evil people have flutes? Because then the terrorists woodwind.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 5:45am
* includes photos
Just cause I called you an Old Fart you have to call me a Prick ..
MOI .. & Toad Warts !
Froggy
(that was my LanSr immah-tay-shun)
Apply to Toad Warts daily .. releives fungal crotch itching as well.!
Posted: Jan 10, 08 11:57am
I am so sorry to hear you went through all of this. I am glad to hear he is going to prison for the rest of his life, albeit at this late date. I know you have had this dragging you down for years. I am so glad that part of my father's job as a psychologist at a federal prison, was to evaluate and find the few, very few, sex offenders who could be treated, and give them treatment but more importantly find the really, really bad ones and recommend to parole boards etc. that they should never, ever be released
I had a thought, along the lines of others comments, that you forgive not for the person that did this to you, but for you. I know it is hard to do, but if you try your best to XXXX him out of your mind, since you can't out of his life,that it may give you more energy to help fight your cancer.
My thoughts and prayers are with you.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 10:29pm
To set the record straight, I haven't called anyone names on TBD - especially BadFrog - not only would it be wrong and rude, it would make flies tasteless...p.s. where is Black Toad Dark Ale found?
Posted: Jan 10, 08 10:44pm
Lans, I'll bet the ale is NOT found on the $.99 for 24 ounces of canned beer shelf.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 4:27am
This is a very good parable today, ED...
Let us not grow weary in doing what is right, for we will reap at harvest time, if we do not give up. -Galatians 6:9
Posted: Jan 10, 08 4:40am
Morning, Arky.
I like the KJV too, ....if we faint not.
Hand me the smelling salts.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 5:50am
Oh my, Frog, imitation is the highest form of flattery.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 5:57am
* includes photos
Editor (teacher)
I came to class today, again ..
So the secret is .. I am always forgiven when I cut up ..I like that parrable !
Sweetest Froggy
Gah morning !
Posted: Jan 10, 08 5:58am
(secret) Attendance earns brownie points.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 6:56am
Question: Do any of us think about what is written in the Book of Life about ourselves?
I do. Some of it I am really good with. Some of it, not so much (humanity again). I try to take those things to the Christ for forgiveness and understanding.
I do hope at least it is an intriguing tale when they read it, full of having lived my life to my very best ability, not too many wasted opportunities, good balance of quiet times to adventures. I hope for a happy ending :>
Posted: Jan 10, 08 7:05am
Good direction, Jaki.
That my name is written in it and will not be blotted out suffices for me.
I would love to see what others think.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 8:01am
Hello, This is a great illustration of how we should live..the key is giving, endlessly, spiritually,..and some may wonder if we should fogive if someone is not sorry, and I think yes,..and then leave the judgment to God. So, the question is can we give endlessly..we will be happy if we do. God gives endlessly up to now..at a point in time however he will judge..that is his JOB..so in the meantime Agape love, which means we hope all find God/Jesus/Repentance..means also we continue to love our friends and enemies..even by forgiving them..this is what I have learned..Love, crissy
Posted: Jan 10, 08 8:19am
Yes, and welcome, crissy. All should be glad that God has that job and not left us up to our own devices. No wonder it sounds to others like we are speaking a foreign lanquage, especially when we throw in the word agape and live it.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 8:24am
kle, a perfect example of the one time we don't want to walk a mile in another's shoes.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 11:07am
Editor , as I told you before this new year I started in the right path, because I have really forgiven my hubby for all the violence he put me thru.Since day one .I never ask why he went the way he did, I just kept on praying that in time I would let go of my memories which were very vivid in my mind. But as time went on and praying for his soul I have really let go, so now I can say I am free, to serve The Holy Spirit, in the way I have always done..God Bless Alize
Posted: Jan 10, 08 11:12am
Yes, Alize, it takes the saying it at first, and often enough, that the genuineness of it becomes reality.
Posted: Jan 10, 08 12:01pm
Gayle, that was to Lans, but I agree. Sometimes we must amputate that person from our life, but that does not spell unforgiveness. It spells healing.
Posted: Jan 11, 08 5:54pm
Forgiveness is not a choice--it is a commandment. God requires us to forgive others and He will be the one to judge them.
If we hold that hatred and bitterness inside, it will eat away at us and destroy us. To forgive does not me we must forget--it means that we let go of the anger and hatred we hold towards an act another has committed against us. We don't have to be friends or associate with the person who has offended us, we just need to move on. Their conscience over their action will punish them and, in the case where there is no remorse, God will ultimately deal with the person. If we forgive, we have done our part.
Posted: Jan 11, 08 10:17pm
kle, you summed it up nicely. Thank you.