Hi Harvey,

It is my experience that 'hunting for personal happiness' is futile. All it does is leave me feeling like there's a big hole to be filled. What I have experienced is to drop the baggage, including this 'searching', and be the best expression of love that at this time, I know how to be. Looking after myself, my own life, is my way of contributing to the 'solving of the world's problems'. It is my experience that this does have a ripple effect on others.

Why would I set out to 'fix' someone else when I had a ego the size of _____? I totally get that there are many people suffering in our world, but there are many ways to contribute to creating a loving, peaceful society. The best thing I can do is to be the 'change I want to see', to be loving, compassionate, tolerant and take care of my life. This entails that I stay out of another's unless they ask for my involvement.

I used to think that I needed to get into another's life, feel their pain, for me to help. Now I can be of assistance if I stand outside of the pit and offer the best of myself.

You have made valid points, thank you for opening this discussion.

Take care, Deb

deb's lines are a humdinger of an example of what i mean. in defense of the personal ooze on the forum that is supposed to be about spirituality and consciousness.

and where are the rest of the 712 of you... too impersonal for ya... ah, a little challenge always sets the 'holier than thou' crowd scurrying to the safety of their own thoughts.... make me wrong, please, anybody... out there.... in the forum on SPIRITUALITY AND CONSCIOUSNESS.

Hi harvey917, I completely agree that spirituality and consciousness is a social and global issue. I in this forum have always advocated that we can address social, cultural and global spiritual issues without the constant focus on complete personal spiritual mastery. I believe we can indeed address these issues at any time. I thought at one time you were an advocate of personal spiritual health before addressing larger issues...no?

Every individual can make an important contribution to world. when we increase the level of happiness and peace in our own life and generate an influence of peace harmony for our family, nation, and world. The individual is the basic of world. As an example, when we look at a green forest, what we are really seeing is a large number of individual trees that are green. in the same way, when we think of a peaceful world, what we really considering is a world filled with individuals that are at peace themselves.

Hi Harvey,

After reading your reply, it seems as if you think I am not 'consciously suffering? for the sake of them'. It also seems my comments are too personal to be of any use here in the Spirituality and Consciousness forum.

As you said "deb's lines are a humdinger of an example of what i mean. in defense of the personal ooze", maybe you can explain what it is you think I'm doing wrong.

I'm at a loss to see how taking care of myself is too personal to be of any use to others.

Take care, Deb

doing nothing wrong my dear.

would you be open to supplementing your daily schedule with a consistent practice of meditation... that would eventually answer this question "I'm at a loss to see how taking care of myself is too personal to be of any use to others." and when that question is answered, you in this forum will not be the you of today....

huh?

which indivdual you talking about... the illusion that there is a self?

omigod! another fine example of the ego decked out in the spirtual robes for a bit.

thinking of a peaceful ai'nt gonna cut it... when at the same time the ego is the basis of the world...