"REPENT!" "REPENT!" "REPENT!"

I wonder if the young man took his own advice?

I find it ironic this guy shouted down Gene Robinson yet the video producers never mentioned if the young man also shouted down clergy who committed adultery, gossiped, were prideful, padded their expense accounts or stole from church funds, or divorced their spouses unbiblically.

I've found people eager to point their fingers at others usually have just as much sin and ruin of their own to hide.

There was no grace here, no care for a fallen brother (if that's what Bishop Robinson is). This wasn't "Truth," just some guy shouting.

What has Truth got to do with God? You come to God by Faith not Truth, not Reason. If any religion were based on truth then that one religion would be the one truthful religion based on evidence not hearsay. As you can plainly see, we have many many religions with many many different ideas about the word God.

If a God exists, then this God, after the creation of the cosmos, has decided for whatever reason to remain silent.

You can't have it both ways, Natty.

Either faith is unprovable (and thus inarguable) in an individual because it cannot be proven, or religious faith is provable and its valdity can be demonstrated scientifically.

For you to say God remains silent is to place your interpretation of the Universe above those who believe God has indeed spoken to His followers: "God hasn't satisfied my criteria so therefore He hasn't spoken."

Since the human mind is finite, it can't encompass the infinite, and since the Universe is made of energy and matter, and thus perhaps not actually infinite, it's as close as makes no diffference to our discussion. The human mind cannot comprehend the totality of the Universe.

You can say, "I don't believe He has spoken," and that's fine; you're giving proper limits to your statement, since, in fact, you cannot know whether or not God has spoken to humans after Creation.

As an aside, Truth and Reason can bring someone *closer* to God, just as horses can carry a rider to the base of a mountain he must climb, even if they cannot climb the mountain with him. But, you're right; the final step of the journey must be done in faith.

By your faith ye are made whole.

Hi all:

New to this forum...

Wow...NattyBumppo's statements reflect a relativistic worldview and in particular, a blanket statement that is blatantly false: "...we have many many religions with many different ideas about the word of God." Which other religions have ideas about the word of God? Islam? Nope, that's Mohammed. Taoism? Nope, that's a philosophy more than a religion. Buddhism? Uh...nope...some schools of Buddhism don't believe in God. Hinduism? Wrong again...that's pantheism. How about Shinto? Nope...that's ancestor worship. no "word of God" in any of those.

Truth not by Reason? Tell St. Augustine that or Luther or Swingli or Calvin--all of whom had VERY strong faith and were very deep thinkers who used REASON to defend and promote the Truth.

Again, I often hear critics of Christianity attempt to question or challenge its tenets from outside the Christian paradigm, often armed with opinions devoid of accuracy or fact. The evidence for Truth is found in Scripture. Without going into too much detail here, if you accept Mohammed's writings or the writings of Confucius as "valid" (applying the rules of eyewitness testimony), you have to do the same to the OT and NT.

God remaining silent? The universe roars with his creation and in the personal relationships folks have in their everyday lives.

With all due respect: your conclusions and statements have no foundation.

Ken,

I'm coming very late to this thread and I agree with what you are saying about sin in the lives of our church leaders. I point out however, that teachers who are living the sins you mention are not teaching that their sin is acceptable. To add false teaching to the other sins is serious and will be judged to a higher

standard according to scripture. We're taught that we are to judge those in the church, go to them and confront them and help them. Whether or not the video is showing a proper manner to do this, I don't know.

It states that not one person but two or more are to go and if they don't listen God will turn them over to a reprobate mind. After all the Holy Ghost is the only convicting force that the heart will listen to. We must hear the preached word from a man called by God, we must be convicted in our hearts which includes praying and asking for forgiveness and confession with our mouths. We then are known by our testimonies, which are confessions by mouth and the fruit we bear. Maybe this person has never come face to face with a so called preacher that is actually wolves in sheeps clothing that pervert God's word. I do my part by changing the channel or not listening to the radio of someone that preaches the feel good religion or that I know is just out to skim money. If someone I know personally falls, I pray for them and love them but must stand on my beliefs. I hope they get things straight with God and go on loving the soul, since I cannot condone the actions.