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The screen of beliefs

Posted: Jun 13, 08 10:21am

The Screen of Belief

You believe in God, and another does not believe in God, so your beliefs separate you from each other. Belief throughout the world is organized as Hinduism, Buddhism, or Christianity, and so it divides man from man. We are confused, and we think that through belief we shall clear the confusion; that is, belief is superimposed on the confusion, and we hope that confusion will thereby be cleared away. But belief is merely an escape from the fact of confusion; it does not help us to face and to understand the fact but to run away from the confusion in which we are. To understand the confusion, belief, becomes a means of escape from what is, from the fact of confusion. The man who believes in God, the man who believes in the hereafter, or who has any other form of belief, is escaping from the fact of what he is. Do you not know those who believe in God, who do puja, who repeat certain chants and words, and who in their daily life are dominating, cruel, ambitious, cheating, dishonest? Shall they find God? Are they really seeking God? Is God to be found through repetition of words, through belief? But such people believe in God, they worship God, they go to the temple every day, they do everything to avoid the fact of what they are-and such people you consider respectable because they are yourself.

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BadFrog

Posted: Jun 13, 08 1:27pm

Interesting .. my first thought was the Pygmalion Effect ..strectching the concept a bit .. "but we are what we think we are"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect

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eve123

Posted: Jun 13, 08 8:26pm

Badfrog, interesting. The topic of the tread, is still somewhat perplexing...not sure where I stand on these statements. will get back to ya!

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Stages

Posted: Jun 14, 08 8:34pm

Thanks BadFrog for evoking some more thoughts for those interested in traveling the journey.

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spiritedstrider

Posted: Jun 15, 08 10:14am

Interesting. My first reaction is that yes, I know some people who are dishonest, cruel, etc. who would call themselves of a particular religion (and who actively practice it, too). I also know many who are kind, loving and caring who actively practice their religions, too, and who openly accept people of different or no organized faiths.

I get the feeling from this piece that he is saying that organized religion serves no purpose other than to divide us. Is that what he is saying? This could be a very interesting thread.

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Otter

Posted: Jun 15, 08 10:47am

spiritedstrider wrote:

I get the feeling from this piece that he is saying that organized religion serves no purpose other than to divide us. Is that what he is saying? This could be a very interesting thread.

If that is the case, it would be an interesting discussion, for I think we've seen ample evidence of that here in our TBD microcosm of a world.

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eve123

Posted: Jun 15, 08 6:50pm

Another friend introduced me to this man's teachings, but I am just beginning to read them. They do tend to make me review my thoughts and beliefs. I find that I often have said that organized religion is less truth then truth, but I do believe it serves a purpose. It is when those who are organizing are taught to not ask questions or are criticized when they do that seems to limit the function of that truth and organization. This has been my observation, any ways. I enjoy fellowship, I enjoy singing and listening to teachings, I enjoy participation in group efforts, but when I am told how to be, dress, speak and what to speak, I have to ask "did God tell you this?" if the answer is no then I ask them to look at their own self before telling me how to be my self. I believe in correction, but not punishment or belittlement. I have seen more shame and blame in organized religions and the few that do hold the truth and teachings are few as they do manage to be the kindest of the memberships and stand out. They rarely seek the spotlight because they usually are the light radiating withing the group. Just my thoughts.

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Stages

Posted: Jun 18, 08 12:27pm

spiritedstrider wrote:

Interesting. My first reaction is that yes, I know some people who are dishonest, cruel, etc. who would call themselves of a particular religion (and who actively practice it, too). I also know many who are kind, loving and caring who actively practice their religions, too, and who openly accept people of different or no organized faiths.

I get the feeling from this piece that he is saying that organized religion serves no purpose other than to divide us. Is that what he is saying? This could be a very interesting thread.

This "could be what he is suggesting" what is inviting is what it stirs within you. As with any speaker,healer,teacher etc...you are listening with your own perceptions, knowledges and minds. How does it sit with you? Is this food for thought? Is there anger? Fear? Resentments? Openness? What awarenesses are happenning as you read J.K's thoughts. For it is your thoughts at the end of the day which you are to be with then quite possibly you will share as a teacher yourself and what you arrived at in your discovery of your truth.

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